Comments on: Brown Water Navy http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:08:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Larry Albert http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-409136 Larry Albert Wed, 17 Oct 2007 04:39:47 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/#comment-409136 Long live the Brown Water Navy Tried Tested Proven SBU 11 Long live the Brown Water Navy
Tried
Tested
Proven
SBU 11

]]> By: William Halsey http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-4888 William Halsey Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:14:06 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/#comment-4888 If you want to go anywhere in modern war, in the air, on the sea, on the land, you must have command of the air. If you want to go anywhere in modern war, in the air, on the sea, on the land, you must have command of the air.

]]> By: hippy dippy http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-4881 hippy dippy Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:37:18 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/#comment-4881 Do they still keep out of print copies of the Landing Party Manual on ships, or have the directives to throw them all away finally had their effect? Do they still keep out of print copies of the Landing Party Manual on ships, or have the directives to throw them all away finally had their effect?

]]> By: lex http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-4880 lex Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:35:46 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/#comment-4880 I'm with you, brother. I'm thinking, in an actual fight? You play to your strengths... I’m with you, brother. I’m thinking, in an actual fight? You play to your strengths…

]]> By: 74 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-4878 74 Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:16:05 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/#comment-4878 The reason that sometimes a Marine will be playing sailor and vice versa is that in the micro environment, sometimes you just don't have the other guy handy. Sure, there is always a Marine detachment on a carrier, but not on a patrol boat (no room.) I had been using Marines in my radio shack because an early deployment left me extremely short of Radiomen billets that the Navy couldn't fill on short order, and the Marines had some comm types on Okinawa that were in excess at the time. Sure, its not the perfect solution, but what is? Using a sailor who knows enough about fighting ashore to get the job done, is better than blowing an opportunity because the nearest Marine is too far away. In Vietnam, we didn't usually have ground pounders aboard the PBRs. If people went ashore, it was for some temporary purpose like examining a weapons cache or looking for some intel. With only 4-5 men aboard, you sure weren't looking for any fire fights. The reason that sometimes a Marine will be playing sailor and vice versa is that in the micro environment, sometimes you just don’t have the other guy handy. Sure, there is always a Marine detachment on a carrier, but not on a patrol boat (no room.) I had been using Marines in my radio shack because an early deployment left me extremely short of Radiomen billets that the Navy couldn’t fill on short order, and the Marines had some comm types on Okinawa that were in excess at the time. Sure, its not the perfect solution, but what is? Using a sailor who knows enough about fighting ashore to get the job done, is better than blowing an opportunity because the nearest Marine is too far away. In Vietnam, we didn’t usually have ground pounders aboard the PBRs. If people went ashore, it was for some temporary purpose like examining a weapons cache or looking for some intel. With only 4-5 men aboard, you sure weren’t looking for any fire fights.

]]> By: hippy dippy http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/comment-page-1/#comment-4865 hippy dippy Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:27:39 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/04/10/brown-water-navy/#comment-4865 AFSister, The Air Force is a waste and needs to be folded into the Army where it belongs. One of the lessons of Vietnam, which we ignored, was the superiority of the Navy/Marine Corps team in supporting troops on the ground. An Army officer who needed air support would rely his request up his chain of command to the Air Force. The Air Force would then pass the request through its chain of command, piling an extra layer of bureaucracy on the process. A Marine would make the same request, but there was no bureaucracy, air support was controlled at the same level. The Navy and Marine Corps are a team. The Army and the Air Force are competing branches. To the naval aviator providing air support to marines, he is aiding his brothers; to the Air Force pilot it is an abstraction. There is no mission which the Air Force does which the Department of the Navy does not do cheaper, faster and better. Our nation would be stronger if the Air Force was part of the Army. 74, Functionally, Marines are Sailors with guns. Historically, there have been Marines associated with naval ships at least since the time of Henry VIII. As longs as there are warships at sea, there will be an need for sea-based infantry. Sure you could train a Marine to UNREP and a boatswain to lay out machine gun placements, but why? The establishment of the Fleet Marine Force in 1933 was a sound idea. AFSister,

The Air Force is a waste and needs to be folded into the Army where it belongs. One of the lessons of Vietnam, which we ignored, was the superiority of the Navy/Marine Corps team in supporting troops on the ground. An Army officer who needed air support would rely his request up his chain of command to the Air Force. The Air Force would then pass the request through its chain of command, piling an extra layer of bureaucracy on the process. A Marine would make the same request, but there was no bureaucracy, air support was controlled at the same level.

The Navy and Marine Corps are a team. The Army and the Air Force are competing branches. To the naval aviator providing air support to marines, he is aiding his brothers; to the Air Force pilot it is an abstraction. There is no mission which the Air Force does which the Department of the Navy does not do cheaper, faster and better. Our nation would be stronger if the Air Force was part of the Army.

74,

Functionally, Marines are Sailors with guns. Historically, there have been Marines associated with naval ships at least since the time of Henry VIII. As longs as there are warships at sea, there will be an need for sea-based infantry. Sure you could train a Marine to UNREP and a boatswain to lay out machine gun placements, but why? The establishment of the Fleet Marine Force in 1933 was a sound idea.

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