Comments on: Haditha http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:01:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Neptunus Lex » Haditha heats up http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/comment-page-1/#comment-11139 Neptunus Lex » Haditha heats up Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:06:35 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/#comment-11139 [...] I stand by my earlier statement on the alleged war crimes at Haditha: Don’t know. Can’t. Won’t until a court martial, if in fact one is convened, sifts the evidence, weighs the testimony, looks the accused in the eyes. Our system works. [...] [...] I stand by my earlier statement on the alleged war crimes at Haditha: Don’t know. Can’t. Won’t until a court martial, if in fact one is convened, sifts the evidence, weighs the testimony, looks the accused in the eyes. Our system works. [...]

]]> By: cottus http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/comment-page-1/#comment-7419 cottus Thu, 01 Jun 2006 02:10:18 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/#comment-7419 It is hard to tell at this point how this Haditha mess will break, but I earnestly hope that influential members, or future influential members of the military will somehow fit in to their thinking and future actions the idea that a nation whose military has a draft will be much less influenced by these sort of revelations. If the Haditha story breaks the way it should, most Americans will take it in their stride. If it breaks the other way, the volunteer military will become more and more isolated and detached. It is not unreasonable to assume that at a future date, as in ancient Rome, the military will get fed up with the civilian nonsense and interference with reality and just take over (there! I typed it!). Just a few days on the Craigslist political forum convinces me that that sort of young American is totally clueless about the military, its morals, wisdom and values, and loaded with negative impressions that you would not believe. The current advocates of a draft are a sorry bunch, but I'm sure, if more citizens walked even a few steps in military shoes, there would be more understanding of it challenges, capabilities and virtues. In my day, foreign aid of a military nature required that the receiving nation had some sort of universal conscription. There was an extememly good reason for this. It is hard to tell at this point how this Haditha mess will break, but I earnestly hope that influential members, or future influential members of the military will somehow fit in to their thinking and future actions the idea that a nation whose military has a draft will be much less influenced by these sort of revelations. If the Haditha story breaks the way it should, most Americans will take it in their stride. If it breaks the other way, the volunteer military will become more and more isolated and detached. It is not unreasonable to assume that at a future date, as in ancient Rome, the military will get fed up with the civilian nonsense and interference with reality and just take over (there! I typed it!). Just a few days on the Craigslist political forum convinces me that that sort of young American is totally clueless about the military, its morals, wisdom and values, and loaded with negative impressions that you would not believe. The current advocates of a draft are a sorry bunch, but I’m sure, if more citizens walked even a few steps in military shoes, there would be more understanding of it challenges, capabilities and virtues. In my day, foreign aid of a military nature required that the receiving nation had some sort of universal conscription. There was an extememly good reason for this.

]]> By: JarheadDad http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/comment-page-1/#comment-7417 JarheadDad Thu, 01 Jun 2006 01:58:56 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/#comment-7417 They've got drone footage, comm recordings, comm orders from higher ups, and now forensics etc. There was a firefight of pretty damn good proportions with Cobras, fast movers, and armor. Some artillery used as well. They've got all the outside comm, strike coordinates, the whole ball of wax. Haditha is owned and controlled by the muj. Including total control of the end of town the friendlies were killed in. 1500 combat reserves have just been moved into the AO. Worth waiting on the results of the investigation? Damn straight! But then I know the stories of Fallujah, Mahmudiyah, Zaidon, Al Qaim, Mosul, et al so I guess I'm biased when I see who is making what charges. VERY biased! Murtha can kiss my lilly white grits!!! Who's flippin' side is he on anyway? :-( I go with 2dLT Pantano on this one! They’ve got drone footage, comm recordings, comm orders from higher ups, and now forensics etc. There was a firefight of pretty damn good proportions with Cobras, fast movers, and armor. Some artillery used as well. They’ve got all the outside comm, strike coordinates, the whole ball of wax. Haditha is owned and controlled by the muj. Including total control of the end of town the friendlies were killed in. 1500 combat reserves have just been moved into the AO.

Worth waiting on the results of the investigation? Damn straight! But then I know the stories of Fallujah, Mahmudiyah, Zaidon, Al Qaim, Mosul, et al so I guess I’m biased when I see who is making what charges. VERY biased! Murtha can kiss my lilly white grits!!! Who’s flippin’ side is he on anyway? :-(

I go with 2dLT Pantano on this one!

]]> By: badbob http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/comment-page-1/#comment-7390 badbob Wed, 31 May 2006 20:33:43 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/#comment-7390 Well said. There is not a cover up here that a thorough investigation won't uncover. Of course WE don't want this to be true, but can you believe those that fervently hope this allegation is true? What a screwed up way to go through life... Folks trying to make political hay out of these allegations are "lower than whaleshit" in my estimation but then again, that's just my opinion. B2 Well said. There is not a cover up here that a thorough investigation won’t uncover.

Of course WE don’t want this to be true, but can you believe those that fervently hope this allegation is true? What a screwed up way to go through life…

Folks trying to make political hay out of these allegations are “lower than whaleshit” in my estimation but then again, that’s just my opinion.

B2

]]> By: SGT Jeff (USAR) http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/comment-page-1/#comment-7380 SGT Jeff (USAR) Wed, 31 May 2006 18:49:09 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/#comment-7380 One of these days I'd love to see Gen. Pace, perhaps the day he retires, tell Mr. Murtha that he's "no longer lean, too mean, and as of now an "ex-Marine." One of these days I’d love to see Gen. Pace, perhaps the day he retires, tell Mr. Murtha that he’s “no longer lean, too mean, and as of now an “ex-Marine.”

]]> By: George AC1 Retired http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/comment-page-1/#comment-7375 George AC1 Retired Wed, 31 May 2006 17:45:29 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/05/31/haditha/#comment-7375 Since many of us here are either military or retired military just a couple thoughts. I served over 20 years to do several things, among them were to preserve, protect and defend the constitution from enemies foriegn and domestic. Once all the JAGMAN investigations and article 32's are complete should there be Probable Cause for trail the accused should be tried by a court of their peers. I feel these charges are too severe for any "plea bargains". IF the Marines go to trail and IF they are found guilty of crimes, their punishment should be swift and sever, upto and including capital punishment if found guilty of willful murder. However it seems to me that those who have determined the Marines are already guilty before the investigations are complete muchless a trial, need a little defending against. Since many of us here are either military or retired military just a couple thoughts. I served over 20 years to do several things, among them were to preserve, protect and defend the constitution from enemies foriegn and domestic. Once all the JAGMAN investigations and article 32′s are complete should there be Probable Cause for trail the accused should be tried by a court of their peers. I feel these charges are too severe for any “plea bargains”. IF the Marines go to trail and IF they are found guilty of crimes, their punishment should be swift and sever, upto and including capital punishment if found guilty of willful murder.
However it seems to me that those who have determined the Marines are already guilty before the investigations are complete muchless a trial, need a little defending against.

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