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Pipes dissects Pew

Occasional reader (and professional Cassandra) Zane sends along this link, in which Middle East Forum director Daniel Pipes analyzes the Pew poll first referenced here.

Here’s an interesting graf:

The United Kingdom stands out as a paradoxical country. Non-Muslims there have strikingly more favorable views of Islam and Muslims than elsewhere in the West; for example, only 32 percent of the British sample view Muslims as violent, significantly less their counterparts in France (41 percent), Germany (52 percent) or Spain (60 percent). In the Muhammad cartoon dispute, Britons showed more sympathy for the Muslim outlook than did other Europeans. More broadly, Britons blame Muslims less for the poor state of Western-Muslim relations.

But British Muslims return the favor with the most malign anti-Western attitudes found in Europe. Many more of them regard Westerners as violent, greedy, immoral, and arrogant than do their counterparts in France, Germany, and Spain. In addition, whether asked about their attitudes toward Jews, responsibility for 9/11, or the place of women in Western societies, their views are notably more extreme.

Now, put aside for the moment whether negative attitudes among “many” British Muslims is necessarily a security issue, or whether it’s merely a perception issue. This still presents proponents of the Middle Eastern democracy project – your correspondent included – with something of a conundrum: A majority of British Muslims, living in a modern, democratic European culture that provides for their material well-being as well as co-equal political rights returns the favor with a malignant view of that host culture. One might be tempted to ask, “Well, why did you move there?” but that would be churlish. Instead one might more seriously ask, “What hope is there for international peace when by our intervention we give other, perhaps similar majorities in less hospitable climes the right to choose their own government, and in fact those government’s policies?”

Only this: As the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza are discovering every day, elections have actual consequences. They puckishly choose for a government members of a terrorist-linked organization which the rest of the world finds odious, and now watch as the rest of the world’s donations to support that government – the number one employer of the Palestinian people – dry up, along with a fair portion of the rest of the world’s (in my view, misplaced) sympathy for their plight.

The freedom to vote alone is not enough, of course. Without those other institutions of democracy: a free press; a fair and impartial judiciary; a relatively incorrupt bureaucracy – the result might well end up being little but a sham: “one man, one vote, one time.” Still, one step at a time, and for moral clarity it certainly beats any of the obvious alternatives.

Or, anyway, it’s at least worth a try. For starters.

And it’s also true that the freely elected government of Iraq’s eagerness to see coalition troops leave their shores immediately is rather less visible than that of many preening and supercilious BRING THEM HOME RIGHT NOW! types who nevertheless claim to “support the troops” back here at home. Iraqi President Nouri al Maliki has managed, from a position of ever-increasing strength, to split the opposition with an offer of amnesty and political inclusion. Those Ba’athists and nationalists in turn, having bet (and lost) the flower of their youth on the notion that the cut-and-run types would win the day – give them credit where it’s due, it worked in Somalia – and are starting to see the benefits of participating in the process as opposed to their personal alternative.

Taken together, these are object lessons in the kind of hard-headed realism that makes Arab businessmen so formidable, as well as lessons in the dangers of the kind of magical thinking that Pipes obliquely refers to in his opening paragraph dealing with the supposed Arab proclivity towards conspiracy theories.

That conspiracy mongering has at least as much to do – in the Arab homelands, anyway – with the fact that the government sponsored media cannot be trusted to tell the truth as it does with any genetic or cultural predisposition. There is always something untrue, something that hasn’t been said or something written there between the lines and many a happy moment is spent in cafes and bazaars trying to tease it out. Which brings us back to democratic institutions.

And which returns us to Britain -

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They have a free press, and all the institutions of democracy – why then these Mulsim malcontents?

My suspicion lies on the stifling embrace of dependency – a welfare state which drew the detritus of a legacy empire into dead-ended, stultifying torpor while offering too few tools and incentives towards joining the broader and more productive culture. The Brits have been more than generous with their poor, but their taxpayers are never going to pay so much as to offer economic parity to those who simply won’t get work, and the difference breeds resentment. No other explanation holds up, considering how otherwise close the British and American political cultures are to each other. Apart from a half-dozen fools with ill-conceived pretensions to grandeur, we’ve had nothing like the kind of home grown trouble and discontent with our Muslim minority as have they.

So, hat’s off to Billy Jeff!

And that mosque? It’s in Dearborn, Michigan.

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6 comments to Pipes dissects Pew

  • Babs

    “Well, why did you move there?” but that would be churlish

    Why would it be churlish? I have asked myself that question about Muslim immigrants in the West a thousand times. I read this blog

    http://a-mother-from-gaza.blogspot.com/

    written by a woman that clearly despises the United States and, of course, Israel. She recently moved to the U.S. because her husband is getting a degree at Duke University! I have asked her a few times why they came here for school (rather than just about anywhere else except Israel) if she dislikes our society and our gov’t so much. No response. She is now monitoring comments and I think I have been banned!

  • Zane

    Thanks for the props. For a very readable, enlightening take on the European Muslim problem, I heartily recommend Bruce Bawer’s While Europe Slept. You’re right, we’ve so far escaped the kind of discord captured in the poll results. Be glad that America is so very, very big compared to Europe, and the number of muslims is still so very, very small relative to our non-Muslim population. We still have time.

  • Kris, in New England

    Babs – I perused that blog – very scary. She clearly feels like it’s her right to take advantage of every opportunity America can offer, while hating every minute of it and critizing it along the way. I don’t think it’s churlish to ask the question either – why are they here?

    One of the comments made by one of her hosts in CT really chilled me: “When I thanked Peter for welcoming us into their town, he joked that Americans needed Palestinians to liberate them ?

  • Kris, in New England

    Babs – I perused that blog – very scary. She clearly feels like it’s her right to take advantage of every opportunity America can offer, while hating every minute of it and critizing it along the way. I don’t think it’s churlish to ask the question either – why are they here?

    One of the comments made by one of her hosts in CT really chilled me: “When I thanked Peter for welcoming us into their town, he joked that Americans needed Palestinians to liberate them “from the Israeli occupation of the U.S.”

    Prejudice comes in all shapes and colors and sizes doesn’t it. Makes me ashamed to say I live in CT…

    And I agree with Zane and Lex – we do have the luxury of time, for now. I just hope that in 20 years someone isn’t writing a book about “While America Slept”. We were caught sleeping once before…I truly hope we’ve learned our lesson.

  • Babs

    Kris – Maybe I should wear it as a badge of honor that I have been banned! While relating her journey to the U.S. she said that she was going through customs at JFK and that the customs officer was some sort of “Chinese that barely spoke English” (or something to that effect that was clearly derogotory). One of her commenters suggested that she keep those thoughts to herself as people in the United States don’t like it!
    Some of her stuff is so arrogant that it is funny. She related a trip in MD to go berry picking and kept pointing out that there were many Syrians and Palestinians at the berry farm implying that only Middle Easterners are in the know berry wise… This made me laugh out loud because we grow 3 different kinds of raspberries, 2 kinds of blueberries, currants and strawberries! Mmmmm, berries.
    BTW, she reports for Pacifica radio and the Guardian! Nuf said.

  • Kris, in New England

    Babs – good one, “badge of honor” being banned – yeah sometimes it IS a good thing.

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