Remember those miscreants from Mississauga? Married mostly. And once again, occasional reader Zane dredges up a bit of the damning:
“All muslim politicians are corrupt,” she writes. “There’s no one out there willing to rule the country by the laws of Allah, rather they fight to rule the country by the laws of democracy.” She criticizes Muslims in places such as Dubai for spending money on elaborate buildings while Iraqis are being killed.
Ms. Farooq’s criticism is often directed first at other Muslims. When another poster writes about how he finds homosexuality disgusting, Nada replies by pointing out that there are even gay Muslims. She then posts a photo of a rally held by Al-Fatiha, a Canadian support group for gay Muslims. “Look at these pathetic people,” she writes. “They should all be sent to Saudi, where these sickos are executed or crushed by a wall, in public.”
I wonder what it is, with all this public wall-crushing. Do people build walls just for the purpose of murdering the gender heterodox or do they just use whatever piece of urban decay comes in handy?
Anyways, these particular ladies’ fondness for their adopted country is conspicuously absent:
Ms. Farooq is never comfortable with life in Canada… Ms. Farooq’s hatred for the country is palpable. She hardly ever calls Canada by its name, rather repeatedly referring to it as “this filthy country.” It’s a sentiment shared by many of her friends, one of whom states that the laws of the country are irrelevant because they are not the laws of God.
In late April of 2004, a poster asks the forum members to share their impressions of what makes Canada unique. Nada’s answer is straightforward.
“Who cares? We hate Canada.”
And based on some of the comments received by the Globe and Mail, portions of Canada are starting to hate her right back.
Too much hate, all the way around, and I share this cautiously, merely as an interesting read. I have no desire to turn this space into a place for Muslim-bashing, or any other identity bashing, for that matter – there’s quite enough of that going on already, to my lights.
Because when it comes to hate? We just need to remember that this sort of thing starts at home.
Canada, filthy???? Where?
She probably doesn’t even use the indoor bathroom. Prefers the outdoor halal privy. (Faces Mecca)
This plays right into your post of earlier today in which you say that to ask these people why they live here would be churlish…
I am still wondering why people that hate Western society with such a vengence continue to live in it (especially if they weren’t born here). I don’t think your overindulgence in welfare by Western gov’ts argument is entirely valid (being careful not not to piss Lex off after seeing him obliterate another poster with an opposing, yet infantile, point of view).
Really, don’t you wish someone would just answer this question honestly? Of course, I think I know why. That is that you are free to MAKE MONEY in the West. Not so in the Middle East unless you know someone…
–When men take it in their heads to day, to hang gamblers, or burn murderers, they should recollect, that, in the confusion usually attending such transactions, they will be as likely to hang or burn some one who is neither a gambler nor a murderer as one who is; and that, acting upon the example they set, the mob of to-morrow, may, and probably will, hang or burn some of them by the very same mistake. And not only so; the innocent, those who have ever set their faces against violations of law in every shape, alike with the guilty, fall victims to the ravages of mob law; and thus it goes on, step by step, till all the walls erected for the defense of the persons and property of individuals, are trodden down, and disregarded. But all this even, is not the full extent of the evil.–By such examples, by instances of the perpetrators of such acts going unpunished, the lawless in spirit, are encouraged to become lawless in practice; and having been used to no restraint, but dread of punishment, they thus become, absolutely unrestrained.–Having ever regarded Government as their deadliest bane, they make a jubilee of the suspension of its operations; and pray for nothing so much, as its total annihilation. While, on the other hand, good men, men who love tranquility, who desire to abide by the laws, and enjoy their benefits, who would gladly spill their blood in the defense of their country; seeing their property destroyed; their families insulted, and their lives endangered; their persons injured; and seeing nothing in prospect that forebodes a change for the better; become tired of, and disgusted with, a Government that offers them no protection; and are not much averse to a change in which they imagine they have nothing to lose. Thus, then, by the operation of this mobocractic spirit, which all must admit, is now abroad in the land, the strongest bulwark of any Government, and particularly of those constituted like ours, may effectually be broken down and destroyed–I mean the attachment of the People. Whenever this effect shall be produced among us; whenever the vicious portion of population shall be permitted to gather in bands of hundreds and thousands, and burn churches, ravage and rob provision-stores, throw printing presses into rivers, shoot editors, and hang and burn obnoxious persons at pleasure, and with impunity; depend on it, this Government cannot last. By such things, the feelings of the best citizens will become more or less alienated from it; and thus it will be left without friends, or with too few, and those few too weak, to make their friendship effectual. At such a time and under such circumstances, men of sufficient talent and ambition will not be wanting to seize the opportunity, strike the blow, and overturn that fair fabric, which for the last half century, has been the fondest hope, of the lovers of freedom, throughout the world.
I know the American People are much attached to their Government;–I know they would suffer much for its sake;–I know they would endure evils long and patiently, before they would ever think of exchanging it for another. Yet, notwithstanding all this, if the laws be continually despised and disregarded, if their rights to be secure in their persons and property, are held by no better tenure than the caprice of a mob, the alienation of their affections from the Government is the natural consequence; and to that, sooner or later, it must come.”
–Abraham Lincoln
Lyceum Address, 1838
What I thought that only white, Christian conservatives were intolerant!!! Doh! This woman earns herself a free subscription to the New York Times!
Just finished reading “Guests of the Ayatollah.” Can’t recall her name but she reminds me of that female interrogater that was also the spokeswoman for the student hostage takers.
Ugh, I feel totally slimed. I went to the last link in Lex’s post about the twin “white supremacists”. I just don’t know what to say…
And Lex, at the same risk that Babs took, I too agree with her that it’s time we DO ask the question – if you hate it here so much, then why come here at all? If Muslims (or any group for that matter) hates all that a country stands for, then why do the emigrate there? Unless there is a hidden agenda I just don’t get it.
As I have said before, and I don’t think is “churlish” to ask, why are you here? And, if it is for money, as I suspect, why do you condemn the system that allows you to earn same?
How is it that you expect to change the society to fit your needs and still allow you the financial freedom that you currently enjoy?
Lex is right, self-absorbed idiots are everywhere. But I would point out the “matronly” ringleader of the group, Cheryfa (normally spelled Sharifah, how clever) is as freckle-cheeked, strawberry-haired a canuck as ever there was (follow the links to the photos). What made her so hate-filled? Maybe it’s because the kafir she hates are lower than dogs, as her adopted religion teaches. Maybe I’m wrong, but maybe, just maybe…
I would like it if you would all click over to this web site:
http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/
As far as I know, the son Raed is currently living in Northern California! This is the same person that went around Iraq documenting “American War Crimes”! Why he decided to live in N. California and why our State Dept. granted him a visa is a mystery to me… (much like the Taliban spokesperson currently at Yale)
Until our gov’t, in its entirety, is able to exclude people that are not willing to assimilate into our American lifestyle, we continue to live at risk. At the very least, the idea that Raed is able to live free in the U.S. (when his family was an obvious Ba’ath supporter)is very troubeling to me.
BTW, on risk of smashing my head into my monitor, I stopped reading the above mentioned blog (also on the advice of the Commissar.) When I heard that Raed was now living in the US, I couldn’t believe it! What idiot gave him a visa???
CPT J-
A lot of that was easy for Abe to say. He had strong, enforcable and very strict laws during wartime, posse commitatus, etc. Imagine what Abe’s equivalent of the justice department would have done to the NYTs for what they recently did?
Both ‘sides’ have nuts and haters but I should venture a guess that there are a helluva lot more on the “wall crushing” side. Probably on the order of 100,000 to one if you can beleive it. That is if the poll results of a couple posts, posted right here on N. Lex, are any indication..
Me? Just call me discriminating. Actions may speak louder than words but this sheepdog knows a growling wolf is more likely to bite.
Gee Lex. That’s the second time you’ve linked to the little girl Hitler’s to heavily hammer a point home. I would point out that, despite heavy monitoring from dozens of interest groups including CAIR, there has not been a very noticeable increase in “hate-crimes” against Muslims since 9-11. We’re pretty level headed here in the lower 48.
B2
BTW, bonus points to the first who can cite why walls falling on them is appropriate Sharia punishment for homosexuals.
Bruce Bawer left America after writing a book on the danger the religious right posed to American liberties. In Europe, he met a much more virulent “religious right.” I paraphrase, “In America, they didn’t want to let me marry my lover. In Europe, they wanted to drop walls on me.”
Lincoln’s warning was that mob rule could happen at any time people broke faith with each other and lost faith in the laws of their elected government –no individual would be safe.
If tolerance is not reciprocal, it’s dhimmitude. Or white supremicism. Or atzlan reconquista. Or any other racist/religious dogma pimping as an excuse for totalitarian hatred. There’s a group of nutjobs for every creed. Same result, no individual is safe.
In the end, individual freedom is based on individual responsibility. We all need to uphold the right, because chaos is always waiting for its chance to vote.
And all it needs is a simple majority.
Lex, life is too short to waste time hating a$$sholes like this. If they are a threat to us, eliminate the threat. If not, ignore their sorry ignorant a$$es, and carry on smartly. I’d never let myself drop to their level…I’d rather they look at my shoes;)
Well Byron, that is all well and good until they are sitting in the desk next to your darling child and you are told that your child’s history needs to surpressed and your child’s learning needs to be retarded to avoid ”
cultural conflict”. Then, you start thinking of solutions to the problem that don’t include gazing at footware…
Been there, done that, cost me a bundle, not to mention a move across the entire continent of North America.
CPT J
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CPT J
re- “There’s a group of nutjobs for every creed.”
As a point of fact I can agree with that. However I was I was pointing out that the nutjob group in the Islamic world vastly outnumbers by the ratio of thousands to one the nutsjobs of the other creeds… A little proportionality please.
I hear “growling” from the Islamic world like I said above…not individuals but a group. A big group. Ask any cop. Talk will eventually turn into action. Me no likee that. I try to be discriminating, in a clinical scientific kinda way. Hate has nothing to do with it. Moral relativism has nothing to do with it.
It’s just plain common sense to be wary.
B2
B2– I completely agree with the ratios you point out. Your sheepdog instincts are right on target. And wariness is truly common sense.
Lincoln’s Lyceum speech was made 23 years before the Civil War, warning of the consequences of factions [groups] not understanding the fragility of the American experiment. He was reminding us [the sheep] that their flock could be exterminated at any time, if they passively allowed the idea of union under the rule of law [the flock itself] to fall prey to internal predators of any kind.
American sheep had, and have still, an obligation to each other. As Lincoln warned, the alternative is ethnic cleansing: ” If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”
In America, Muslims have the rights [and duties] of individuals in a free society. As individuals, they will have to choose whether or not to support and sustain the rights of ALL other individuals, in order for their group to be tolerated/accepted. Some clearly will not–they are the open nutjobs in high proportions. They can be surveilled and prosecuted. Some will, and they are the lonely heroes we must support as fellow citizens.
Those Muslims in the middle here, who either out of fear of the real wolves among them, or moral confusion about Islam’s place as only one religion among many in the US [and not the Borg monolith entitled to engulf all others, as many seem to be taught] need to make a clear choice:
Either stand up for American values of respect for other individuals, or eventually face a remorseless wrath of Killer Angels who will not be dhimmis.
My point is, that group of sheep in the middle needs to feel safer on the side of the sheepdogs than they do on the side of the wolves. Vigilante behavior will prevent the Muslim sheep in the middle from making the right choice, driving them firmly into the wolves’ camp.
Sheepdogs defend the flock against ALL predator threats. There are plenty of homegrown jackals who would take full advantage of the chaos if rogue sheep start impersonating sheepdogs and going after each other. That’s just as bad as stupid sheep flirting with wolves, and won’t help the outnumbered real sheepdogs keep order.
The flock has to value and uphold their sheepdogs, and not place absurd restrictions on their work. Otherwise they’ll find themselves defenseless, through their own fault. Or at the arbitrary mercy of any rogue sheep with a real or imagined grievance.
Ultimately, the sheep in the middle DO have to make a choice– to which flock will they belong? A non-choice or ambiguous allegiance means accepting being meat on the hoof for wolves. And sheep that deliberately choose not to stay within the American fold will not be protected. They will truly be “the wolves in sheep’s clothing”.
I think what you’re saying is that the time for that clear choice, and its consequences, can’t be put off much longer.
CPT J-
Compared to other cultures the Muslim world does appear to be monolithic..including some Muslims in the US who enjoy citizenship. I’m not advocating internment camps or forcing American citizens of Middle eastern descent or Muslims in general to sign oaths. BTW, I agree with the principles of Lincoln’s speech but Abe’s actions as CINC during the war years show a different side- rhetoric vs reality. Perhaps he took those harsh actions during the Civil War to keep that from happening.
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CPT J-
Compared to other cultures the Muslim world does appear to be monolithic..including some Muslims in the US who enjoy citizenship. I’m not advocating internment camps or forcing American citizens of Middle eastern descent or Muslims in general to sign oaths. BTW, I agree with the principles of Lincoln’s speech but Abe’s actions as CINC during the war years show a different side- rhetoric vs reality. Perhaps he took those harsh actions during the Civil War to keep that from happening.
re- “I think what you’re saying is that the time for that clear choice, and its consequences, can’t be put off much longer.”
Unfortunately- yes. Will that happen from discussions like this or any rationale decision process based on the threats? No. IMO, it will take another, and more horrendous 9-11 type attack. Nuclear and ther weapons of mass destruction exist. Eventually they will have them. If they have them, they will use them. Simple as that.
B2
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