Comments on: Conditional service http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 05:39:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Chap http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/comment-page-1/#comment-16389 Chap Sat, 23 Sep 2006 19:47:17 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/#comment-16389 A.M., I think Lex's point is <em>irrespective</em> of DADT and written so on purpose; the issue is of necessity inextricably linked, but not the issue that is bothering Lex enough to post. My own blog has a couple of posts (one eventually mentioning retired Navy captain, then congressman <a href="http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=680" rel="nofollow">Schrock</a>, who spent just a little too much time in the closet for some other gay folks to accept, and one about a <a href="http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=1339" rel="nofollow">war story</a> that's a bit of a tough read) that sort of mention DADT. A.M.,

I think Lex’s point is irrespective of DADT and written so on purpose; the issue is of necessity inextricably linked, but not the issue that is bothering Lex enough to post.

My own blog has a couple of posts (one eventually mentioning retired Navy captain, then congressman Schrock, who spent just a little too much time in the closet for some other gay folks to accept, and one about a war story that’s a bit of a tough read) that sort of mention DADT.

]]> By: A.M. http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/comment-page-1/#comment-16383 A.M. Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:40:53 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/#comment-16383 FbL - It was my honor and privalage to serve and would continue if I was not messed up physically. So thanks for the nice words on my service, but it is like thanking me for eating ice cream :-) Also, FbL thanks for the words on everything else too. Lex: Sir, I am confused a bit. Are you against or for DADT? I did not read or see the protest, aside from what you said. A bunch of protestors are not the issue in my book. Sure something like that might bring up some talk, but isn't some discussion what we need. Like you making this post and people commenting - in my book this is a good thing. Thank you Sir. S/f A.M. FbL – It was my honor and privalage to serve and would continue if I was not messed up physically. So thanks for the nice words on my service, but it is like thanking me for eating ice cream :-)

Also, FbL thanks for the words on everything else too.

Lex: Sir, I am confused a bit. Are you against or for DADT? I did not read or see the protest, aside from what you said. A bunch of protestors are not the issue in my book. Sure something like that might bring up some talk, but isn’t some discussion what we need. Like you making this post and people commenting – in my book this is a good thing. Thank you Sir.

S/f
A.M.

]]> By: lex http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/comment-page-1/#comment-16380 lex Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:19:20 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/#comment-16380 I don't disagree - my question is "who gets to decide what contributes to military effectiveness?" The military? Or an activist group that obviously has an agenda apart from service. Remember, if these people <em>really</em> want to serve their country, they can. I don’t disagree – my question is “who gets to decide what contributes to military effectiveness?”

The military? Or an activist group that obviously has an agenda apart from service. Remember, if these people really want to serve their country, they can.

]]> By: BigShyBear http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/comment-page-1/#comment-16379 BigShyBear Sat, 23 Sep 2006 18:00:14 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/#comment-16379 My personal belief is that the criteria should be 'unit effectiveness'. If sexual conduct interferes with unit effectiveness then that should be grounds for discharge. Note that I am NOT saying 'sexual MIS-conduct' but any sexual conduct, including coercive sex with juniors, sexual conduct with the spouses of unit members, and maybe even 'Don Juan' types. In my opinion homosexuality should not automatically be considered as detrimental to unit effectiveness. Do we really care whether our doctor or our dentist is a homosexual? Most people don't, they only care if they are any good. As long as a persons sexual preference does not impact the units ability to get it's job done, do we even care? My personal belief is that the criteria should be ‘unit effectiveness’. If sexual conduct interferes with unit effectiveness then that should be grounds for discharge. Note that I am NOT saying ‘sexual MIS-conduct’ but any sexual conduct, including coercive sex with juniors, sexual conduct with the spouses of unit members, and maybe even ‘Don Juan’ types. In my opinion homosexuality should not automatically be considered as detrimental to unit effectiveness. Do we really care whether our doctor or our dentist is a homosexual? Most people don’t, they only care if they are any good. As long as a persons sexual preference does not impact the units ability to get it’s job done, do we even care?

]]> By: badbob http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/comment-page-1/#comment-16369 badbob Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:48:58 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/#comment-16369 Re- "Nature vs nurture" "I believe" is not the sam as "I can prove", eg- The Islamo-facist believes many things he cannot prove. re- "Couldn? Re- “Nature vs nurture”

“I believe” is not the sam as “I can prove”, eg- The Islamo-facist believes many things he cannot prove.

re- “Couldn?

]]> By: badbob http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/comment-page-1/#comment-409462 badbob Sat, 23 Sep 2006 14:48:58 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/21/conditional-service/#comment-409462 Re- "Nature vs nurture" "I believe" is not the sam as "I can prove", eg- The Islamo-facist believes many things he cannot prove. re- "Couldn’t the fraternization rules be applied and be done with it?" Sure they could. And as Skippy says above those very same rules would be broken every day like they are now, at sea, between men and women. The closest held secret in the US Navy, and probably DoD, is the pregnancy rate on AD. Even the officers up to 0-5 now almost accept this situation as the status quo and an underwater iceberg just waiting to cause havoc. I say why compound the problem x 2 from a practical standpoint? Despite our individual tendencies the miltary is not a labratory experiment in social engineering, or is it? What's more important? Defense during a time of Global War against Islamofacism or throwing more "change" out there?? Look. I've done my time. All y'all still on AD and those just starting out have to deal with it and lead in the environment you inheirit. For the civilians both straight and gay it's just an academic or emtional argument.... B2 Re- “Nature vs nurture”

“I believe” is not the sam as “I can prove”, eg- The Islamo-facist believes many things he cannot prove.

re- “Couldn’t the fraternization rules be applied and be done with it?”

Sure they could.

And as Skippy says above those very same rules would be broken every day like they are now, at sea, between men and women. The closest held secret in the US Navy, and probably DoD, is the pregnancy rate on AD. Even the officers up to 0-5 now almost accept this situation as the status quo and an underwater iceberg just waiting to cause havoc. I say why compound the problem x 2 from a practical standpoint? Despite our individual tendencies the miltary is not a labratory experiment in social engineering, or is it?

What’s more important? Defense during a time of Global War against Islamofacism or throwing more “change” out there??

Look. I’ve done my time. All y’all still on AD and those just starting out have to deal with it and lead in the environment you inheirit. For the civilians both straight and gay it’s just an academic or emtional argument….

B2

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