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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: CPT J</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/25/busy/comment-page-1/#comment-16802</link>
		<dc:creator>CPT J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sim,

You raise a possible but unlikely scenario.

The guys [and gals] &#039;circling above&#039; are NOT &#039;a couple of k&#039;s from where they think the are&#039;. They always know where they are. CAS aircraft have the navigational tools needed to maintain situational awareness at all times.

The problem and the worry is that the CAS drivers don&#039;t always know where YOU are [the friendly on the ground] in relation to the enemy&#039;s position, especially in a non-preplanned strike. Is the enemy too close to friendly positions to drop? In close combat, friendlies can&#039;t always mark their positions visually to be seen from the air because it will draw hostile fire.

The friendly must know their own position coordinates first, before giving the reference points to the target they need hammered. In the confusion of battle, the friendly might mistakenly transmit their own position coordinates in place of the target coordinates in the 9-line, with tragic results, as has apparently happened on one occasion. Training and doctrine strive to prevent these errors, but it&#039;s still the fog of war.

When mistakes happen, its easy to blame the air, but the fact is  everyone involved is responsible for their part of clarity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sim,</p>
<p>You raise a possible but unlikely scenario.</p>
<p>The guys [and gals] &#8216;circling above&#8217; are NOT &#8216;a couple of k&#8217;s from where they think the are&#8217;. They always know where they are. CAS aircraft have the navigational tools needed to maintain situational awareness at all times.</p>
<p>The problem and the worry is that the CAS drivers don&#8217;t always know where YOU are [the friendly on the ground] in relation to the enemy&#8217;s position, especially in a non-preplanned strike. Is the enemy too close to friendly positions to drop? In close combat, friendlies can&#8217;t always mark their positions visually to be seen from the air because it will draw hostile fire.</p>
<p>The friendly must know their own position coordinates first, before giving the reference points to the target they need hammered. In the confusion of battle, the friendly might mistakenly transmit their own position coordinates in place of the target coordinates in the 9-line, with tragic results, as has apparently happened on one occasion. Training and doctrine strive to prevent these errors, but it&#8217;s still the fog of war.</p>
<p>When mistakes happen, its easy to blame the air, but the fact is  everyone involved is responsible for their part of clarity.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris, in New England</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/25/busy/comment-page-1/#comment-16778</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris, in New England</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miss BirdLegs: I once wrote &quot;mom is dumb&quot; on a slip of paper and stuffed it in the back of my desk in my bedroom. I was about 10 at the time; my mom found it some months later and hooted &amp; howled in fits of laughter for HOURS afterwards. Kind of took the wind out of my sails and I never said anything like that again - in writing or in print.

Oh, and she saved the damn thing too! 30+ years later and it&#039;s still hanging around somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miss BirdLegs: I once wrote &#8220;mom is dumb&#8221; on a slip of paper and stuffed it in the back of my desk in my bedroom. I was about 10 at the time; my mom found it some months later and hooted &amp; howled in fits of laughter for HOURS afterwards. Kind of took the wind out of my sails and I never said anything like that again &#8211; in writing or in print.</p>
<p>Oh, and she saved the damn thing too! 30+ years later and it&#8217;s still hanging around somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/25/busy/comment-page-1/#comment-16749</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I choose the main topic, but I can relate it to war at sea, because the TASM, rather than the environment, brought the same type issues to the table.  I got to play &quot;Mr. Tomahawk&quot; for a few years way back, and I have put the &lt;a href=&quot;http://chaoticsynapticactivity.netfirms.com/nfblog/2006/09/26/lex-is-busy-so-why-did-we-shelve-tasms/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussion in the blog&lt;/a&gt;....

Also, the 1st Cav at Ia Trang faced an enemy, albeit a uniformed one in the form of the NVA, who had the tactic of trying to close quickly, so the air and artillery superiority of our forces would be taken out of play, for fear of friendly fire, even if it menat taking lots of casualties to get far enough across the battle space to mix it up that closely.  The difference is most civilians got out of the way back then...increasingly, we aren&#039;t seeing that anymore, on land or at sea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I choose the main topic, but I can relate it to war at sea, because the TASM, rather than the environment, brought the same type issues to the table.  I got to play &#8220;Mr. Tomahawk&#8221; for a few years way back, and I have put the <a href="http://chaoticsynapticactivity.netfirms.com/nfblog/2006/09/26/lex-is-busy-so-why-did-we-shelve-tasms/" rel="nofollow">discussion in the blog</a>&#8230;.</p>
<p>Also, the 1st Cav at Ia Trang faced an enemy, albeit a uniformed one in the form of the NVA, who had the tactic of trying to close quickly, so the air and artillery superiority of our forces would be taken out of play, for fear of friendly fire, even if it menat taking lots of casualties to get far enough across the battle space to mix it up that closely.  The difference is most civilians got out of the way back then&#8230;increasingly, we aren&#8217;t seeing that anymore, on land or at sea.</p>
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		<title>By: butch</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/25/busy/comment-page-1/#comment-16697</link>
		<dc:creator>butch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 07:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your kids never hate you, you&#039;re not doing your job as a parent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your kids never hate you, you&#8217;re not doing your job as a parent.</p>
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		<title>By: Sim</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/25/busy/comment-page-1/#comment-16688</link>
		<dc:creator>Sim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CPT (Not you Lex, the one that seems an Army type)-

&quot;Know and transmit your own position clearly and often.

Knowing your own coordinates and transmitting them correctly prevents friendly air from making you blue-on-blue toast.&quot;

I&#039;m imagine that wouldn&#039;t always help when the guys circling above are a couple of k&#039;s from where they think they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CPT (Not you Lex, the one that seems an Army type)-</p>
<p>&#8220;Know and transmit your own position clearly and often.</p>
<p>Knowing your own coordinates and transmitting them correctly prevents friendly air from making you blue-on-blue toast.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m imagine that wouldn&#8217;t always help when the guys circling above are a couple of k&#8217;s from where they think they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Sim</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/09/25/busy/comment-page-1/#comment-16686</link>
		<dc:creator>Sim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 05:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason-
Those were my thoughts. Read a book called &#039;Sock it to &#039;em Baby&#039; about an RAAF type that did a USAF tour as a FAC.

Seemed like he&#039;s turn up, work out where the good guys were, where the bad guys were, what weapon and heading was appropriate for whatever turned up to party and then mark it all out for them.

Now, this may put a crimp on the airborne feats of derring-do those fixed wing guys enjoy talking about but the only argument I can see is perhaps someone somewhere thought low and slow in countries so awash with RPGs just wasn&#039;t a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason-<br />
Those were my thoughts. Read a book called &#8216;Sock it to &#8216;em Baby&#8217; about an RAAF type that did a USAF tour as a FAC.</p>
<p>Seemed like he&#8217;s turn up, work out where the good guys were, where the bad guys were, what weapon and heading was appropriate for whatever turned up to party and then mark it all out for them.</p>
<p>Now, this may put a crimp on the airborne feats of derring-do those fixed wing guys enjoy talking about but the only argument I can see is perhaps someone somewhere thought low and slow in countries so awash with RPGs just wasn&#8217;t a good idea.</p>
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