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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: submandave</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/11/19/difficult-to-understand/comment-page-1/#comment-27615</link>
		<dc:creator>submandave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 18:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zane,

Coffin nails are a real problem and not easilly extracted once hammered in.  It took me three looks to make O-5 because of an unintended slight perceived from a EP to P shift.  The command had a huge influx of more senior O-4s and the CO didn&#039;t want to bury them (she figured I was junior enough that a P wouldn&#039;t hurt me, never taking into account how the down-check would look).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zane,</p>
<p>Coffin nails are a real problem and not easilly extracted once hammered in.  It took me three looks to make O-5 because of an unintended slight perceived from a EP to P shift.  The command had a huge influx of more senior O-4s and the CO didn&#8217;t want to bury them (she figured I was junior enough that a P wouldn&#8217;t hurt me, never taking into account how the down-check would look).</p>
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		<title>By: Zane</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/11/19/difficult-to-understand/comment-page-1/#comment-27543</link>
		<dc:creator>Zane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having had a OIC job as a LT where I was expected to herd CAPTs very used to having their own illegal and unethical ways (not true of all, to be sure, but certainly to this incestuous bunch), my record still bears the scars.  When I stopped covering up for them and started documenting their activities to my chain, the fun began (my reporting senior, you see, was already the subject of another IG investigation, which finished another officer&#039;s career, although not the reporting senior&#039;s).  As my JAG pointed out, you can fight and win the main battle, but they still have ways of getting you, and they will.  LT Hudson is in the position of proving that his superiors were, in fact, conducting themselves illegally.  Lotsa luck with that one, LT.  Letters to the board and FITREP statements are generally seen by promotion boards as whining. His best hope lies in the Bureau for Correction of Naval Records.

I, too, went to a position of &quot;greater responsibility,&quot; from that tour.  I was passed over for O4 the first look, but mirabile dictu, picked up the second look.  Despite outstanding FITREPs as an O4, and having spent my entire O4 time in operational jobs, I&#039;m DIW for O5, and the apple polishers with no dings are getting selected.  Meanwhile, the CAPTs have all retired and taken GS-15 or SES jobs (ain&#039;t GWOT great!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having had a OIC job as a LT where I was expected to herd CAPTs very used to having their own illegal and unethical ways (not true of all, to be sure, but certainly to this incestuous bunch), my record still bears the scars.  When I stopped covering up for them and started documenting their activities to my chain, the fun began (my reporting senior, you see, was already the subject of another IG investigation, which finished another officer&#8217;s career, although not the reporting senior&#8217;s).  As my JAG pointed out, you can fight and win the main battle, but they still have ways of getting you, and they will.  LT Hudson is in the position of proving that his superiors were, in fact, conducting themselves illegally.  Lotsa luck with that one, LT.  Letters to the board and FITREP statements are generally seen by promotion boards as whining. His best hope lies in the Bureau for Correction of Naval Records.</p>
<p>I, too, went to a position of &#8220;greater responsibility,&#8221; from that tour.  I was passed over for O4 the first look, but mirabile dictu, picked up the second look.  Despite outstanding FITREPs as an O4, and having spent my entire O4 time in operational jobs, I&#8217;m DIW for O5, and the apple polishers with no dings are getting selected.  Meanwhile, the CAPTs have all retired and taken GS-15 or SES jobs (ain&#8217;t GWOT great!).</p>
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		<title>By: Justthisguy</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/11/19/difficult-to-understand/comment-page-1/#comment-27488</link>
		<dc:creator>Justthisguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 05:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Color-blind is best, IMHO. Everybody takes the ASVAB, and let the chips fall where they may.  

This is important, dammit. As the Navy shrinks, we should at least take the opportunity to have the best people we can in it, regardless of their appearance or genetic provenance. If doing that results in having un-representative proportions of different groups, that&#039;s just too bad. Sucks, and all, but we&#039;re talking existential National survival,here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Color-blind is best, IMHO. Everybody takes the ASVAB, and let the chips fall where they may.  </p>
<p>This is important, dammit. As the Navy shrinks, we should at least take the opportunity to have the best people we can in it, regardless of their appearance or genetic provenance. If doing that results in having un-representative proportions of different groups, that&#8217;s just too bad. Sucks, and all, but we&#8217;re talking existential National survival,here.</p>
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		<title>By: lex</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/11/19/difficult-to-understand/comment-page-1/#comment-27436</link>
		<dc:creator>lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

re:  &quot;In enlisted recruiting it be possible that many high-achieving minorities are availing themselves of other (i.e. educational) oportunities?&quot;

I think that was what I was trying to get at, however inelegantly, here: &lt;em&gt;Everyone wants to attract high-performing people of every ethnicity, and faced with top-tier competition the service might not be an employer of first resort. In other words, to meet ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>re:  &#8220;In enlisted recruiting it be possible that many high-achieving minorities are availing themselves of other (i.e. educational) oportunities?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that was what I was trying to get at, however inelegantly, here: <em>Everyone wants to attract high-performing people of every ethnicity, and faced with top-tier competition the service might not be an employer of first resort. In other words, to meet ?</em></p>
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		<title>By: lex</title>
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		<dc:creator>lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,

re:  &quot;In enlisted recruiting it be possible that many high-achieving minorities are availing themselves of other (i.e. educational) oportunities?&quot;

I think that was what I was trying to get at, however inelegantly, here: &lt;em&gt;Everyone wants to attract high-performing people of every ethnicity, and faced with top-tier competition the service might not be an employer of first resort. In other words, to meet “diversity” quotas with IBM and UCLA competing in the same talent pool might very well mean finding yourself competing for what’s left over, with an over-representation collecting in the lower quintiles. &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>re:  &#8220;In enlisted recruiting it be possible that many high-achieving minorities are availing themselves of other (i.e. educational) oportunities?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that was what I was trying to get at, however inelegantly, here: <em>Everyone wants to attract high-performing people of every ethnicity, and faced with top-tier competition the service might not be an employer of first resort. In other words, to meet “diversity” quotas with IBM and UCLA competing in the same talent pool might very well mean finding yourself competing for what’s left over, with an over-representation collecting in the lower quintiles. </em></p>
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		<title>By: submandave</title>
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		<dc:creator>submandave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 00:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re your comment that some minority groups may be over-represented in the lower ASVAB quartile, I believe this may be related somewhat to both oportunity and demographics.  

While in NROTC I sometimes wondered at the relative paucity of minority Midshipmen and my completely unfounded theory is that the additional scholorship oportunities afforded high-achieving minorities may make the ROTC oportunity less attractive.  In enlisted recruiting it be possible that many high-achieving minorities are availing themselves of other (i.e. educational) oportunities?

As for demographics, I seem to remember reading once that a higher percentage of minority recruits come from a significantly lower economic class than non-minority recruits.  For many minority recruits the services are specifically seen (and often sold) as a ticket out of a bad economic situation.  It just so happens that there is a significant correlation between poorer comunities and poorer education, regardless of race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re your comment that some minority groups may be over-represented in the lower ASVAB quartile, I believe this may be related somewhat to both oportunity and demographics.  </p>
<p>While in NROTC I sometimes wondered at the relative paucity of minority Midshipmen and my completely unfounded theory is that the additional scholorship oportunities afforded high-achieving minorities may make the ROTC oportunity less attractive.  In enlisted recruiting it be possible that many high-achieving minorities are availing themselves of other (i.e. educational) oportunities?</p>
<p>As for demographics, I seem to remember reading once that a higher percentage of minority recruits come from a significantly lower economic class than non-minority recruits.  For many minority recruits the services are specifically seen (and often sold) as a ticket out of a bad economic situation.  It just so happens that there is a significant correlation between poorer comunities and poorer education, regardless of race.</p>
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