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		<title>By: jpr</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/12/22/compulsory-service/comment-page-1/#comment-36504</link>
		<dc:creator>jpr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as motivating the teens and 20-somethings, make them try to realize that nothing is free. You want to go to college? Fine, pony up 2-3 years of service to (your favorite national service program here). You just might discover something about yourself you never thought possible. You just might learn something about life that you can&#039;t learn in any school or in a comfortable &amp; familiar environment. 

My father, a lifelong Chicagoan, was drafted into the Army just after graduating college in 1954. I remember his stories about boot camp and army life, including one about teaching a fellow recruit how to lace his boots (a la Full Metal Jacket, no lie) because it was the first real pair of shoes that 19 year-old ever had. 

He also talked about when he was at Ft. Gordon, near Augusta, GA, and seeing &quot;Whites Only&quot; signs, and &quot;Colored&quot; drinking fountains. And being told politely by a bus driver that he was sitting in the &quot;colored section&quot; of the bus.

Being from Chicago, this completely blew his mind.

So, he raises his future children, with the future wife and mother he meets while at Ft. Gordon, and among lots of other valuable things, teaches his five children about tolerance and a disdain for racial injustice.

In a way that overall experience taught him to be a better citizen and later wonderful father.

My continued $.02</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as motivating the teens and 20-somethings, make them try to realize that nothing is free. You want to go to college? Fine, pony up 2-3 years of service to (your favorite national service program here). You just might discover something about yourself you never thought possible. You just might learn something about life that you can&#8217;t learn in any school or in a comfortable &amp; familiar environment. </p>
<p>My father, a lifelong Chicagoan, was drafted into the Army just after graduating college in 1954. I remember his stories about boot camp and army life, including one about teaching a fellow recruit how to lace his boots (a la Full Metal Jacket, no lie) because it was the first real pair of shoes that 19 year-old ever had. </p>
<p>He also talked about when he was at Ft. Gordon, near Augusta, GA, and seeing &#8220;Whites Only&#8221; signs, and &#8220;Colored&#8221; drinking fountains. And being told politely by a bus driver that he was sitting in the &#8220;colored section&#8221; of the bus.</p>
<p>Being from Chicago, this completely blew his mind.</p>
<p>So, he raises his future children, with the future wife and mother he meets while at Ft. Gordon, and among lots of other valuable things, teaches his five children about tolerance and a disdain for racial injustice.</p>
<p>In a way that overall experience taught him to be a better citizen and later wonderful father.</p>
<p>My continued $.02</p>
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		<title>By: CPT J</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/12/22/compulsory-service/comment-page-1/#comment-36483</link>
		<dc:creator>CPT J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

You&#039;ve been very clear, and made a critical point: we ARE in a networked war, and we are currently using [and maybe wearing out] only one of our weapons in this fight--our military. Media seems to have a lock on our &quot;culture&quot;, so that leaves us with our own personal stories and family histories --which the MSM does not own or control.

You may recall the phenomenal interest shown by the general public in the Ken Burn&#039;s Civil War TV series years ago. Aside from being very good history, Burns managed to capture the individual and family emotional connections that we still deeply resonate with today. Major Sullivan Ballou&#039;s last letter to his wife Sarah is probably the strongest example. It was clearly more than just a historical artifact.  People still read it aloud to each other.  It captured  resolute faith in a cause with devotion to one&#039;s family. Caught in the middle of terrible choices, the author knew what mattered most to secure the future of his loved ones. He clearly saw himself keeping faith &quot;with those who went before us through the blood and sufferings of the Revolution.&quot; If they could stand it, so could he.  So could we all.

In our time, a Ballou letter may well be a YouTube video or some digital equivalent. Whatever it takes to make the viewer recognize themselves in it and say: &quot;Yes --that&#039;s why I care...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve been very clear, and made a critical point: we ARE in a networked war, and we are currently using [and maybe wearing out] only one of our weapons in this fight&#8211;our military. Media seems to have a lock on our &#8220;culture&#8221;, so that leaves us with our own personal stories and family histories &#8211;which the MSM does not own or control.</p>
<p>You may recall the phenomenal interest shown by the general public in the Ken Burn&#8217;s Civil War TV series years ago. Aside from being very good history, Burns managed to capture the individual and family emotional connections that we still deeply resonate with today. Major Sullivan Ballou&#8217;s last letter to his wife Sarah is probably the strongest example. It was clearly more than just a historical artifact.  People still read it aloud to each other.  It captured  resolute faith in a cause with devotion to one&#8217;s family. Caught in the middle of terrible choices, the author knew what mattered most to secure the future of his loved ones. He clearly saw himself keeping faith &#8220;with those who went before us through the blood and sufferings of the Revolution.&#8221; If they could stand it, so could he.  So could we all.</p>
<p>In our time, a Ballou letter may well be a YouTube video or some digital equivalent. Whatever it takes to make the viewer recognize themselves in it and say: &#8220;Yes &#8211;that&#8217;s why I care&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/12/22/compulsory-service/comment-page-1/#comment-36363</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the thread Sir, but, I think that point has been argued to death in this and other forums.  My personal opinion is that, unless the threat is upon us and immediate there will be no draft, based on our past use of the draft in the Civil War and WWII.  I do not think that the question is to whom do you owe your allegiance.  I think it is more basic than that.  How do the current generations define terms such as honor, committment, culture and self sacrifice?   These seem to be the basic building blocks of being able to find out how to motivate the teens and a little older folks into recognizing we are in a cultural war and that their help is needed too.  This is a networked war that involves military, culture, media and history.  We are only using one weapon.  How do we get the others into the fray?  I know this is rambling.  If I am unclear please ask me to clarify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the thread Sir, but, I think that point has been argued to death in this and other forums.  My personal opinion is that, unless the threat is upon us and immediate there will be no draft, based on our past use of the draft in the Civil War and WWII.  I do not think that the question is to whom do you owe your allegiance.  I think it is more basic than that.  How do the current generations define terms such as honor, committment, culture and self sacrifice?   These seem to be the basic building blocks of being able to find out how to motivate the teens and a little older folks into recognizing we are in a cultural war and that their help is needed too.  This is a networked war that involves military, culture, media and history.  We are only using one weapon.  How do we get the others into the fray?  I know this is rambling.  If I am unclear please ask me to clarify.</p>
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		<title>By: CPT J</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPT J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 18:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

I think you&#039;ve answered your own question: To whom do the young owe their allegiance? That is the underlying problem this thread has explored.

While 9/11 may have faded into the &quot;dim and misty past for many&quot;, for just as many it is front and center in their thoughts and motivations. It depends where you are geographically and perhaps demographically as well.

I&#039;m not dismissing your question at all, for many teens and twenty-somethings actually believe that we are or should, be beyond the need for states by now. Utopia and all that. When, not if, we are attacked again, harsh personal experience may lead  to a different conclusion. Those who have not learned from history, or naively believe we are past the end of it, are condemned to repeat the lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;ve answered your own question: To whom do the young owe their allegiance? That is the underlying problem this thread has explored.</p>
<p>While 9/11 may have faded into the &#8220;dim and misty past for many&#8221;, for just as many it is front and center in their thoughts and motivations. It depends where you are geographically and perhaps demographically as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not dismissing your question at all, for many teens and twenty-somethings actually believe that we are or should, be beyond the need for states by now. Utopia and all that. When, not if, we are attacked again, harsh personal experience may lead  to a different conclusion. Those who have not learned from history, or naively believe we are past the end of it, are condemned to repeat the lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2006/12/22/compulsory-service/comment-page-1/#comment-36008</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 05:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I talk to teens and early twenties folks they seem to be questioning the very idea of the &quot;state&quot;.  Their world is so cross cultural and boundryless I really think that generations after them will not be able to think in terms of service to the state or country.  Threats to this country seem so far away that they have not had to think in those terms.  They have not been forced to like previous generations.  9/11 has faded into the dim and misty past for many and I have not seen anyone answer the question of why do we need any kind of compulsary service of any kind.  What specific problem is it addressing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I talk to teens and early twenties folks they seem to be questioning the very idea of the &#8220;state&#8221;.  Their world is so cross cultural and boundryless I really think that generations after them will not be able to think in terms of service to the state or country.  Threats to this country seem so far away that they have not had to think in those terms.  They have not been forced to like previous generations.  9/11 has faded into the dim and misty past for many and I have not seen anyone answer the question of why do we need any kind of compulsary service of any kind.  What specific problem is it addressing?</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth LeFebvre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth LeFebvre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 18:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m generally opposed to a draft, but lately I have been pondering the Scriptural example wherein it seems the choice to &quot;opt out&quot; was given *after* conscription and training but *before* combat.

Perhaps mandatory boot camp would grant many of the benefits of mandatory service, but allowing the newly trained &quot;recruits&quot; to choose to leave the service before being assigned to a permanent duty station would maintain the benefits of a volunteer service.

(just kind of thinking out loud...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m generally opposed to a draft, but lately I have been pondering the Scriptural example wherein it seems the choice to &#8220;opt out&#8221; was given *after* conscription and training but *before* combat.</p>
<p>Perhaps mandatory boot camp would grant many of the benefits of mandatory service, but allowing the newly trained &#8220;recruits&#8221; to choose to leave the service before being assigned to a permanent duty station would maintain the benefits of a volunteer service.</p>
<p>(just kind of thinking out loud&#8230;)</p>
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