Comments on: Safety standdown http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:43:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: dc http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/comment-page-1/#comment-39978 dc Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:10:28 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/#comment-39978 I like to think of the venturi effect quoted, is like NASCAR. "I ain't Tailgatin', I'm Draftin'!" Safety Standown's always seemed to me to be a good tool to make us take a breath, review our thought processes. That, and the endless loop play of Men Without Hats, "Safety Dance", in the background. I like to think of the venturi effect quoted, is like NASCAR. “I ain’t Tailgatin’, I’m Draftin’!”

Safety Standown’s always seemed to me to be a good tool to make us take a breath, review our thought processes. That, and the endless loop play of Men Without Hats, “Safety Dance”, in the background.

]]> By: Skippy-san http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/comment-page-1/#comment-39725 Skippy-san Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:08:08 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/#comment-39725 What amazes me is that their is a venturi effect with two objects that big. Gives me a whole new appreciation for the forces of nature......... What amazes me is that their is a venturi effect with two objects that big. Gives me a whole new appreciation for the forces of nature………

]]> By: Nose http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/comment-page-1/#comment-39706 Nose Fri, 12 Jan 2007 21:45:59 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/#comment-39706 "Venturi effect sucking the sub up into the tanker..." YGBSM! Hope we don't tell the ChiComs when we are standing down, they might sneak up on us! N “Venturi effect sucking the sub up into the tanker…”

YGBSM!

Hope we don’t tell the ChiComs when we are standing down, they might sneak up on us!

N

]]> By: Jim Howard http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/comment-page-1/#comment-39690 Jim Howard Fri, 12 Jan 2007 20:03:22 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/#comment-39690 When I was a WSO/EWO in F-111s in the late 80s and early 90s it seemed like we had stand downs on an almost weekly basis. The thing that irked me was that we lost very few F-111s in that period, the bugs in that airplane having long since been either worked out or fully understood by our forefathers. What was happening was that F-16s were falling from the sky like raindrops in spring, and everytime one of the single seat sky-gods trashed a jet we had to stop flying for a day and figure out why those guys crashed so much. When I was a WSO/EWO in F-111s in the late 80s and early 90s it seemed like we had stand downs on an almost weekly basis.

The thing that irked me was that we lost very few F-111s in that period, the bugs in that airplane having long since been either worked out or fully understood by our forefathers.

What was happening was that F-16s were falling from the sky like raindrops in spring, and everytime one of the single seat sky-gods trashed a jet we had to stop flying for a day and figure out why those guys crashed so much.

]]> By: PigBoatSailor http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/comment-page-1/#comment-39678 PigBoatSailor Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:45:33 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/01/12/safety-standdown/#comment-39678 If the stand-down is a sub fleet wide event, then <a href="http://makeyourdepth.blogspot.com/2007/01/safety-stand-down.html" rel="nofollow">I think we are actually not helping ourselves</a>, actually. The most likely root cause was an ORM failure in the upper chain of command. This is not something that a deckplate sailor affects, and a stand-down that takes them away from their work will only end up hurting them. However, if the stand-down is more a procedural and ORM review, as <a href="http://bubbleheads.blogspot.com/2007/01/uss-newport-news-makes-bahrain.html" rel="nofollow">Bubblehead opines</a>, then perhaps it will have some value. I am not disparaging the idea of a stand-down, having gone through a few, one of which definitely did make a noticable, immediate impact. I am, however, skeptical of actions that appear to be not much more than knee-jerk CYA. If the stand-down is a sub fleet wide event, then I think we are actually not helping ourselves, actually. The most likely root cause was an ORM failure in the upper chain of command. This is not something that a deckplate sailor affects, and a stand-down that takes them away from their work will only end up hurting them.

However, if the stand-down is more a procedural and ORM review, as Bubblehead opines, then perhaps it will have some value.

I am not disparaging the idea of a stand-down, having gone through a few, one of which definitely did make a noticable, immediate impact. I am, however, skeptical of actions that appear to be not much more than knee-jerk CYA.

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