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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: Scratch that one off the list - Neptunus Lex - The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scratch that one off the list - Neptunus Lex - The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in February?Ǭ</description>
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		<title>By: Scratch that one off the list - Neptunus Lex - The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy.</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/02/13/smoking-gun/comment-page-1/#comment-409837</link>
		<dc:creator>Scratch that one off the list - Neptunus Lex - The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in February I posted on the UK Daily Mail article about those missing Austrian sniper rifles  - you know, the ones sold [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in February I posted on the UK Daily Mail article about those missing Austrian sniper rifles  &#8211; you know, the ones sold [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jpr</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 15:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Along the stingers/manpads route, I&#039;ve read that some people are wondering if that&#039;s what been bringing down our helicopters in the last few weeks. The mujahideen (sp?) used the Stingers the CIA gave them to knock the Soviet helicopters out of the sky, way back when.

Plus by using people lower on the execution chain, the higher-ups in Iranian gov&#039;t have their plausible deniability. It would be a tough go to actually get proof that president Ahm@#$%*&amp; is explicitly ordering the arms and parts to Shiites in Iraq. Either way it stinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Along the stingers/manpads route, I&#8217;ve read that some people are wondering if that&#8217;s what been bringing down our helicopters in the last few weeks. The mujahideen (sp?) used the Stingers the CIA gave them to knock the Soviet helicopters out of the sky, way back when.</p>
<p>Plus by using people lower on the execution chain, the higher-ups in Iranian gov&#8217;t have their plausible deniability. It would be a tough go to actually get proof that president Ahm@#$%*&amp; is explicitly ordering the arms and parts to Shiites in Iraq. Either way it stinks.</p>
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		<title>By: badbob</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re &quot;Surgical strikes in Iran will not solve the problem, they will exacerbate the problem. Then what?&quot;

Surgical? That&#039;s a McNamara term I remember from long ago..Personally, I prefer amputation, like in keeping the Iranian people in the dark, cold and hungry while destroying anything of military value in the infrastruce. No invasion. No occupation. Bad behavior must be rewarded. Payback time Baby! It will happen fliterman-just hang in there.

Exacerbate is sorta like escalate, ain&#039;t it? I know where you&#039;re coming from. I reckon you never got my hornets nest thang either.

b2

PS- From what I&#039;ve read Stingers are like milk- they have a definable expiration date...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re &#8220;Surgical strikes in Iran will not solve the problem, they will exacerbate the problem. Then what?&#8221;</p>
<p>Surgical? That&#8217;s a McNamara term I remember from long ago..Personally, I prefer amputation, like in keeping the Iranian people in the dark, cold and hungry while destroying anything of military value in the infrastruce. No invasion. No occupation. Bad behavior must be rewarded. Payback time Baby! It will happen fliterman-just hang in there.</p>
<p>Exacerbate is sorta like escalate, ain&#8217;t it? I know where you&#8217;re coming from. I reckon you never got my hornets nest thang either.</p>
<p>b2</p>
<p>PS- From what I&#8217;ve read Stingers are like milk- they have a definable expiration date&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: fliterman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally  agree with your summation.

While I have little doubt as  to Iranian meddling in Iraq, given the varying Iranian factions it&#039;s difficult to determine direct responsibility to any faction, or the State.   

Indeed we once had some U.S. citizens funding and supplying arms to the IRA terrorists ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally  agree with your summation.</p>
<p>While I have little doubt as  to Iranian meddling in Iraq, given the varying Iranian factions it&#8217;s difficult to determine direct responsibility to any faction, or the State.   </p>
<p>Indeed we once had some U.S. citizens funding and supplying arms to the IRA terrorists ?</p>
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		<title>By: fliterman</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 05:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally  agree with your summation.

While I have little doubt as  to Iranian meddling in Iraq, given the varying Iranian factions it&#039;s difficult to determine direct responsibility to any faction, or the State.   

Indeed we once had some U.S. citizens funding and supplying arms to the IRA terrorists – but that was certainly not justification for Great Britain to attack America and bomb the Boston Irish sympathizers.

Also, I don&#039;t doubt that terrorists and weapons are also coming into Iraq from friendlier nations, i.e. Saudi Arabia.  Should we then also attack the Saudi&#039;s?  (And didn&#039;t most of the 9/11 terrorists come from there?)  And if we attacked every country that supplied AK-47&#039;s to Iraq, much less a hundred sniper rifles, we would indeed have a long list of disparate targets on many fronts.

Are we looking for excuses here, or trying to solve a grave and serious problem intelligently?

Whether the influx of weapons is state sponsored, state-supported or not, what&#039;s wrong with  trying effective interdiction first?  

We did that with the Ho Chi Minh trail.  But it was a longer and far more difficult route for the enemy; multiple trails concealed by jungle, and wandering through other countries.  

The open Iraqi desert roads should be much easier.  Why can&#039;t we seal the border, and interdict any insurgents and/or weapons crossing and coming into Iraq?  We certainly should have the technology and weaponry.  And if we don&#039;t have the manpower for effective interdiction, we certainly will not have the manpower for what will follow from an attack on Iran, especially with Iraq still boiling.  

Surgical strikes in Iran will not solve the problem, they will exacerbate the problem.  Then what?

[And as far as losing weapons, did we ever find the 80 Stinger missiles we once gave to the Muhajadeen who became Taliban, or the (thousands?)  of hand-held surface-to-air missiles missing from Iraq, shortly after our invasion? ]

Lots of enormous and essential questions; few real concrete answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally  agree with your summation.</p>
<p>While I have little doubt as  to Iranian meddling in Iraq, given the varying Iranian factions it&#8217;s difficult to determine direct responsibility to any faction, or the State.   </p>
<p>Indeed we once had some U.S. citizens funding and supplying arms to the IRA terrorists – but that was certainly not justification for Great Britain to attack America and bomb the Boston Irish sympathizers.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t doubt that terrorists and weapons are also coming into Iraq from friendlier nations, i.e. Saudi Arabia.  Should we then also attack the Saudi&#8217;s?  (And didn&#8217;t most of the 9/11 terrorists come from there?)  And if we attacked every country that supplied AK-47&#8242;s to Iraq, much less a hundred sniper rifles, we would indeed have a long list of disparate targets on many fronts.</p>
<p>Are we looking for excuses here, or trying to solve a grave and serious problem intelligently?</p>
<p>Whether the influx of weapons is state sponsored, state-supported or not, what&#8217;s wrong with  trying effective interdiction first?  </p>
<p>We did that with the Ho Chi Minh trail.  But it was a longer and far more difficult route for the enemy; multiple trails concealed by jungle, and wandering through other countries.  </p>
<p>The open Iraqi desert roads should be much easier.  Why can&#8217;t we seal the border, and interdict any insurgents and/or weapons crossing and coming into Iraq?  We certainly should have the technology and weaponry.  And if we don&#8217;t have the manpower for effective interdiction, we certainly will not have the manpower for what will follow from an attack on Iran, especially with Iraq still boiling.  </p>
<p>Surgical strikes in Iran will not solve the problem, they will exacerbate the problem.  Then what?</p>
<p>[And as far as losing weapons, did we ever find the 80 Stinger missiles we once gave to the Muhajadeen who became Taliban, or the (thousands?)  of hand-held surface-to-air missiles missing from Iraq, shortly after our invasion? ]</p>
<p>Lots of enormous and essential questions; few real concrete answers.</p>
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