Comments on: The things you think about http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:48:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: steve rogers http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/comment-page-1/#comment-409958 steve rogers Mon, 23 Jun 2008 14:39:11 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/#comment-409958 My wife went through sere at the air force academy in the late 80's. Upon completion she went home on summer break to her horrified parents 15 pounds underweight and covered with bruises. Its probably the most intense school that the military offers. I was a marine, bet sere sucks no matter which branch you do it with. Great training though. My wife went through sere at the air force academy in the late 80′s. Upon completion she went home on summer break to her horrified parents 15 pounds underweight and covered with bruises. Its probably the most intense school that the military offers. I was a marine, bet sere sucks no matter which branch you do it with. Great training though.

]]> By: AW1 Tim http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/comment-page-1/#comment-64160 AW1 Tim Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:59:40 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/#comment-64160 Brian, For a report on how that helo dunker training paid off, I offer up this from the Fleet AW association websiteL http://www.tourohio.com/fleetaw/Schreffler.html It's one of those "Happy Endings" but not all were so lucky. Bullet 10 lost all 4 last january. Still, some excellent stories on that site about surviving mishaps and hwo NATOPS, etc, played in the solution(s). Respects, Brian,

For a report on how that helo dunker training paid off, I offer up this from the Fleet AW association websiteL

http://www.tourohio.com/fleetaw/Schreffler.html

It’s one of those “Happy Endings” but not all were so lucky. Bullet 10 lost all 4 last january. Still, some excellent stories on that site about surviving mishaps and hwo NATOPS, etc, played in the solution(s).

Respects,

]]> By: Brian http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/comment-page-1/#comment-64140 Brian Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:57:15 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/#comment-64140 AW1 - I was thinking of the helo dunker when I read your post. I thought *that* was the one you wanted to do again. Dilbert I didn't mind either. What I remember of the helo dunker was after the last ride standing on the side of the pool with water draining out of my sinus cavities for about 5 minutes straight. I also hated just sitting there after you hit as it filled up with the water slowly going over your head as you rotated upside down. But I too remember that feeling of confidence - both from having completed it and from the knowledge that I'd just finished AI and was on to VT-10. Oh, to be in those times again... Regards - Brian AW1 – I was thinking of the helo dunker when I read your post. I thought *that* was the one you wanted to do again. Dilbert I didn’t mind either.

What I remember of the helo dunker was after the last ride standing on the side of the pool with water draining out of my sinus cavities for about 5 minutes straight. I also hated just sitting there after you hit as it filled up with the water slowly going over your head as you rotated upside down. But I too remember that feeling of confidence – both from having completed it and from the knowledge that I’d just finished AI and was on to VT-10.

Oh, to be in those times again…

Regards – Brian

]]> By: AW1 Tim http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/comment-page-1/#comment-64090 AW1 Tim Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:31:02 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/#comment-64090 Brian, Heh..... I was brought up around water, learning to swim at an early age. Maybe I am nuts, I was an aircrewman after all.... :) Personally, I liked the 'dunker because it was another challenge. A problem to solve. That's probably why I was attracted to the AW rate. I was big-time into games, especially wargames, and anything that made you think things through. Variables, constantly changing environments, different targets from day to day, etc. But the dunker, that was interesting. Into the water, flip upside down, bad envrironment, disorientation, panic. Made you think. Actually, the Helo dunker was the worst. That one you had to do blinfolded. You were in the tube with several other guys, and you hit the water straight down, the rolled over and submerged, had to find your way out from memory and by feel. THAT was just a tad bit frightening, and I readily admit that. However, once you managed to survive it, you got this incredible surge of confidence. That was a good thing. Respects, Brian,

Heh….. I was brought up around water, learning to swim at an early age. Maybe I am nuts, I was an aircrewman after all…. :)

Personally, I liked the ‘dunker because it was another challenge. A problem to solve. That’s probably why I was attracted to the AW rate. I was big-time into games, especially wargames, and anything that made you think things through. Variables, constantly changing environments, different targets from day to day, etc. But the dunker, that was interesting. Into the water, flip upside down, bad envrironment, disorientation, panic. Made you think.

Actually, the Helo dunker was the worst. That one you had to do blinfolded. You were in the tube with several other guys, and you hit the water straight down, the rolled over and submerged, had to find your way out from memory and by feel. THAT was just a tad bit frightening, and I readily admit that.

However, once you managed to survive it, you got this incredible surge of confidence. That was a good thing.

Respects,

]]> By: Brian http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/comment-page-1/#comment-64043 Brian Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:41:27 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/#comment-64043 When I was in NROTC we had an XO (F4 RIO) who was in the Hanoi Hilton for several years. He did not speak of it much except on one occassion he gave a detailed presentation of what went on and we listened with rapt attention. He had no problem with those who broke under the extreme duress and gave information - if I recall the code of conduct did not exist at that point as guidence for them. But for the ones who accepted early release or favors he said he'd shoot them himself on the spot if given the chance (other than the young sailor who ended up there after falling overboard - he was specifically tasked with learning and remembering all of the names of those in the facility so he could bring that info out to the US gov't). It was an amazing presentation. The hardest part of SERE for me was at one point I was faced with the choice of talking or ordering subordinates to talk or letting them shoot a junior enlisted guy. I remember lying my a** off about being a helo driver at one point (I was an E2 NFO). It was the toughest school I went through by far. Lost 10 pounds in a couple of days too. AW1 - you *liked* the dunker??? Are you nuts? Brian When I was in NROTC we had an XO (F4 RIO) who was in the Hanoi Hilton for several years. He did not speak of it much except on one occassion he gave a detailed presentation of what went on and we listened with rapt attention. He had no problem with those who broke under the extreme duress and gave information – if I recall the code of conduct did not exist at that point as guidence for them. But for the ones who accepted early release or favors he said he’d shoot them himself on the spot if given the chance (other than the young sailor who ended up there after falling overboard – he was specifically tasked with learning and remembering all of the names of those in the facility so he could bring that info out to the US gov’t). It was an amazing presentation.

The hardest part of SERE for me was at one point I was faced with the choice of talking or ordering subordinates to talk or letting them shoot a junior enlisted guy. I remember lying my a** off about being a helo driver at one point (I was an E2 NFO). It was the toughest school I went through by far. Lost 10 pounds in a couple of days too.

AW1 – you *liked* the dunker??? Are you nuts?

Brian

]]> By: P-3 wife http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/comment-page-1/#comment-63873 P-3 wife Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:09:22 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/29/the-things-you-think-about/#comment-63873 Long-time lurker, but thought I'd add my two cents from the spousal side on this topic. I remember when husband was supposed to go to SERE school and was very reluctant to be the senior officer there, as that meant he would receive worse treatment to protect others. I also remember that the idea of SERE school meant that there was the potential for it to be necessary for my husband to use those skills in fact, not in theory. Not comforting thoughts for a wife when husband would be far away and unable to communicate easily (not like now with email and cell phones). Also remember watching the news to be sure that nothing was going on in the corner of the world he was hanging out in, too. Scary thoughts, indeed. Long-time lurker, but thought I’d add my two cents from the spousal side on this topic. I remember when husband was supposed to go to SERE school and was very reluctant to be the senior officer there, as that meant he would receive worse treatment to protect others. I also remember that the idea of SERE school meant that there was the potential for it to be necessary for my husband to use those skills in fact, not in theory. Not comforting thoughts for a wife when husband would be far away and unable to communicate easily (not like now with email and cell phones). Also remember watching the news to be sure that nothing was going on in the corner of the world he was hanging out in, too.

Scary thoughts, indeed.

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