Comments on: Maybe it is time for the Brits to go home http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:11:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Justthisguy http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/comment-page-2/#comment-68132 Justthisguy Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:23:54 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/#comment-68132 Oh, Fox? I hear tell that Wernher von Braun got his copy of "Astounding" every month, all through the war. Is that the kind of "weapon" yer talking about? Oh, Fox? I hear tell that Wernher von Braun got his copy of “Astounding” every month, all through the war.

Is that the kind of “weapon” yer talking about?

]]> By: badbob http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/comment-page-2/#comment-65634 badbob Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:01:29 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/#comment-65634 Perhaps next September, Fox! I'll come for the golf at St. Andrews (not for the history you've been "taught"), the salmon, perhaps another red Deer or Roebuck and to hunt my favorite varmint- da Fox! Done all that before in the environs..even et that foul sheep stomach haggis, but I've never been after varmint up thar, though.. b2 Perhaps next September, Fox!

I’ll come for the golf at St. Andrews (not for the history you’ve been “taught”), the salmon, perhaps another red Deer or Roebuck and to hunt my favorite varmint- da Fox! Done all that before in the environs..even et that foul sheep stomach haggis, but I’ve never been after varmint up thar, though..

b2

]]> By: John of Argghhh! http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/comment-page-2/#comment-65588 John of Argghhh! Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:47:14 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/#comment-65588 Well, in sooth - money being fungible, banking aid can certainly facilitate arms purchases - hence why I asked Fox to provide some concrete examples, if his point was *other* than what I covered. I'm just curious. I'm 90% certain we sent no planes, trains, ships or tanks, nor ammunition and small arms, or significant tech transfers (not likely considering at that point the germans were leading us in miltech with the exception of the M1 Garand and especially strategic bombers). But that doesn't mean dual-use tech didn't get sent or sold. But money is money, even if the assets of Harriman, etc, were frozen after Pearl Harbor. I'm curious if Fox is purporting direct gov't to gov't sales or gov't approved sales, vice private entities doing what businesses do. Well, in sooth – money being fungible, banking aid can certainly facilitate arms purchases – hence why I asked Fox to provide some concrete examples, if his point was *other* than what I covered.

I’m just curious. I’m 90% certain we sent no planes, trains, ships or tanks, nor ammunition and small arms, or significant tech transfers (not likely considering at that point the germans were leading us in miltech with the exception of the M1 Garand and especially strategic bombers).

But that doesn’t mean dual-use tech didn’t get sent or sold.

But money is money, even if the assets of Harriman, etc, were frozen after Pearl Harbor.

I’m curious if Fox is purporting direct gov’t to gov’t sales or gov’t approved sales, vice private entities doing what businesses do.

]]> By: unkawill http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/comment-page-2/#comment-65587 unkawill Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:46:07 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/#comment-65587 B2, I feel badly for our comrades-in-arms across the puddle, IF fox is in anyway an average recruit, mentally that is. What is the use of a military that doesn't understand "Why we Fight". Cap'n I promise to drop it and "look away" B2, I feel badly for our comrades-in-arms across the puddle, IF fox is in anyway an average recruit, mentally that is. What is the use of a military that doesn’t understand “Why we Fight”.

Cap’n I promise to drop it and “look away”

]]> By: unkawill http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/comment-page-2/#comment-65579 unkawill Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:27:32 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/#comment-65579 Thanks John, I, for the life of me, couldn't conceive of the US selling weapons to the Nazi's. Being in violation of the Treaty of Versailles, and all Thanks John,

I, for the life of me, couldn’t conceive of the US selling weapons to the Nazi’s. Being in violation of the Treaty of Versailles, and all

]]> By: John of Argghhh! http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/comment-page-2/#comment-65505 John of Argghhh! Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:38:29 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/03/30/maybe-it-is-time-for-the-brits-to-go-home/#comment-65505 Hmmm. The US sold arms to the Nazis? I missed that, but it may hinge on the definition of 'arms'. Ford and GM had operations in Germany (GM owned or had a large stake in Opel) but those were nationalized by the Germans (and the Ford operation was partly Brit-owned). IBM had what has been termed a "troubling" relationship with the Nazis, to be sure. And there's the whole Harriman Banking bit. Fox, can you provide a bit more to back up your assertion - unless you assertion is covered by the above? I'm just curious. And yep, the Brits pay their bills, no doubts about that. Lend-lease was the only political way that Roosevelt could get around the Congress on giving aid to Britain. Many people, this side of the war, don't realize just how much support for Germany there has been in the US. There was large sentiment in the US at times to enter WWI on the side of Germany, and the Bund was active prior to the start of the shooting war on the Continent during WWII. Such support shouldn't be surprising, given that the US was oft-times hostile to John Bull between 1776 and 1917 as interests and ideals clashed - and many don't realize that net German migration to the US, especially after the failed revolutions of 1848 in Germany led to the fact that demographically, german-descended Americans outnumbered english-descended. Heh. What was the point again? Hmmm. The US sold arms to the Nazis? I missed that, but it may hinge on the definition of ‘arms’.

Ford and GM had operations in Germany (GM owned or had a large stake in Opel) but those were nationalized by the Germans (and the Ford operation was partly Brit-owned). IBM had what has been termed a “troubling” relationship with the Nazis, to be sure. And there’s the whole Harriman Banking bit.

Fox, can you provide a bit more to back up your assertion – unless you assertion is covered by the above? I’m just curious.

And yep, the Brits pay their bills, no doubts about that. Lend-lease was the only political way that Roosevelt could get around the Congress on giving aid to Britain. Many people, this side of the war, don’t realize just how much support for Germany there has been in the US. There was large sentiment in the US at times to enter WWI on the side of Germany, and the Bund was active prior to the start of the shooting war on the Continent during WWII.

Such support shouldn’t be surprising, given that the US was oft-times hostile to John Bull between 1776 and 1917 as interests and ideals clashed – and many don’t realize that net German migration to the US, especially after the failed revolutions of 1848 in Germany led to the fact that demographically, german-descended Americans outnumbered english-descended.

Heh. What was the point again?

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