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		<title>By: jimbob</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/03/politically-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-67122</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 01:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a viscious circle. On one side there isnt jail space (im not talking about prisons) to hold each and every offender. So we set up a matrix system. On the other hand, in order to get more beds the tax payers have to pony up more funds, we have to hire qualified people to run them and in most cases tax increases are voted down. im in corrections and see first hand some of the injustice when repeat offenders are continously released by the courts. Its a tough pill to swallow. The comments that Officers &quot;voluntarily&quot; put thier lives on the line is naive at best. A poster and commercial i saw years ago said it best. It showed a picture of a dark alley and the caption said &quot; You say you wouldnt go in there for a million dollars, Police go in there for alot less&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a viscious circle. On one side there isnt jail space (im not talking about prisons) to hold each and every offender. So we set up a matrix system. On the other hand, in order to get more beds the tax payers have to pony up more funds, we have to hire qualified people to run them and in most cases tax increases are voted down. im in corrections and see first hand some of the injustice when repeat offenders are continously released by the courts. Its a tough pill to swallow. The comments that Officers &#8220;voluntarily&#8221; put thier lives on the line is naive at best. A poster and commercial i saw years ago said it best. It showed a picture of a dark alley and the caption said &#8221; You say you wouldnt go in there for a million dollars, Police go in there for alot less&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Don</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/03/politically-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-66240</link>
		<dc:creator>Don</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an old retired cop, this isn&#039;t an unfamilier story.  I submit that people get the level of law enforcement they deserve based upon what they support.  Eternal vigilence is the rule. Common sense has gone missing in our society. We excuse horrific behavior and praise tolerance of other cultures, lifestyle choices, and all the while are willing to trash the cops and mistrust power---until we ourselves are victimized---then we dial 9-1-1.....wakeup !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an old retired cop, this isn&#8217;t an unfamilier story.  I submit that people get the level of law enforcement they deserve based upon what they support.  Eternal vigilence is the rule. Common sense has gone missing in our society. We excuse horrific behavior and praise tolerance of other cultures, lifestyle choices, and all the while are willing to trash the cops and mistrust power&#8212;until we ourselves are victimized&#8212;then we dial 9-1-1&#8230;..wakeup !</p>
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		<title>By: Bomber Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/03/politically-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-65862</link>
		<dc:creator>Bomber Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 04:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASM826 &amp; Michelle,

There is little doubt that the killer in the NC case is deserving of an instant death sentence, not a sterile passing after years of appeals (the average appeal in California takes 17 years).

My unit will handle in excess of 425 homicides in the average year; and I will concede that some detectives do not show the appropriate empathy for the victims&#039; family, probably due to the volume we deal in.  I teach a homicide investigations to new detectives from around the western states, and I have brought victims&#039; family members in to address the impact that a detective&#039;s perceived attitude can have on the family.

Michelle, the system is broken, and no-one knows it better than victims&#039; families and police officers.  The only way to effect change is through the vote - prosecutors and judges are elected (except federal judges who are appointed for life, and often remain on the bench well into their 80&#039;s).

Felons who receive plea bargains and sweetheart deals should be required to live nextdoor to the judges who sentenced them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASM826 &amp; Michelle,</p>
<p>There is little doubt that the killer in the NC case is deserving of an instant death sentence, not a sterile passing after years of appeals (the average appeal in California takes 17 years).</p>
<p>My unit will handle in excess of 425 homicides in the average year; and I will concede that some detectives do not show the appropriate empathy for the victims&#8217; family, probably due to the volume we deal in.  I teach a homicide investigations to new detectives from around the western states, and I have brought victims&#8217; family members in to address the impact that a detective&#8217;s perceived attitude can have on the family.</p>
<p>Michelle, the system is broken, and no-one knows it better than victims&#8217; families and police officers.  The only way to effect change is through the vote &#8211; prosecutors and judges are elected (except federal judges who are appointed for life, and often remain on the bench well into their 80&#8242;s).</p>
<p>Felons who receive plea bargains and sweetheart deals should be required to live nextdoor to the judges who sentenced them.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/03/politically-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-65794</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watching the video reminded me of a local case - 16 year old kid with a lengthy record for car theft, among other things. At his last appearance, where if I recall right, he was on bail at the time he was picked up for some offence, somebody &quot;forgot&quot; to ask that he be held for other outstanding warrants. He was released on an undertaking. 
A few days later, he and some friends stole a car, ran from the cops and hit a woman&#039;s vehicle as they went through a red light, killing the woman. Led to a big inquiry being held as to how the justice system handled (or failed to handle) this out of control kid (his mother had specfically asked for him NOT to be released on bail because she knew she couldn&#039;t control him). 

The best they came up with something along the lines of the fact that the kid had ADHD, didn&#039;t get the therapy he needed and had either been suspended or had just stopped going to school. Can&#039;t remember all the details. But basically just a lot of useless information/details.

I checked out ASM826&#039;s link - it&#039;s hard to say that what that guy did is somehow &quot;less&quot; than killing a cop. I know - I&#039;m mising the point.

But I think the only thing you can really take away from it all is how badly the system often functions. Doesn&#039;t seem to matter where you live. And I don&#039;t think any of us really scream loud enough about it often enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching the video reminded me of a local case &#8211; 16 year old kid with a lengthy record for car theft, among other things. At his last appearance, where if I recall right, he was on bail at the time he was picked up for some offence, somebody &#8220;forgot&#8221; to ask that he be held for other outstanding warrants. He was released on an undertaking.<br />
A few days later, he and some friends stole a car, ran from the cops and hit a woman&#8217;s vehicle as they went through a red light, killing the woman. Led to a big inquiry being held as to how the justice system handled (or failed to handle) this out of control kid (his mother had specfically asked for him NOT to be released on bail because she knew she couldn&#8217;t control him). </p>
<p>The best they came up with something along the lines of the fact that the kid had ADHD, didn&#8217;t get the therapy he needed and had either been suspended or had just stopped going to school. Can&#8217;t remember all the details. But basically just a lot of useless information/details.</p>
<p>I checked out ASM826&#8242;s link &#8211; it&#8217;s hard to say that what that guy did is somehow &#8220;less&#8221; than killing a cop. I know &#8211; I&#8217;m mising the point.</p>
<p>But I think the only thing you can really take away from it all is how badly the system often functions. Doesn&#8217;t seem to matter where you live. And I don&#8217;t think any of us really scream loud enough about it often enough.</p>
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		<title>By: ASM826</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASM826</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BomberMan,

Of course you take it personally. It&#039;s seen as a hit inside the circle. I would not expect anything different, and understand completely.  

When it is your wife, mother, sister, or daughter that is the victim of a violent crime, that is a hit inside your circle, too. I assure you then that you are outraged, you take it personally, and you want everything done, whether or not a law enforcement officer was involved. Being told that the violence done to them is somehow less worthy of the outrage of the society is one more outrage.

I understand you guys can&#039;t be everywhere, and that even an immediate response often leaves the violence over before you arrive.

There was a woman here locally, abducted while she changed her baby&#039;s diaper on the car seat at a pharmacy. She was later murdered, beaten to death with a tire rim. Her baby was thrown in a field. The baby was found alive, sunburned and dehydrated. 

The prep got life. He appealed. Here&#039;s the link to that appeal. Scroll down and read the &quot;Facts&quot; section, and tell me anyone involved in this deserved to live.

http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2005/041504-1.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BomberMan,</p>
<p>Of course you take it personally. It&#8217;s seen as a hit inside the circle. I would not expect anything different, and understand completely.  </p>
<p>When it is your wife, mother, sister, or daughter that is the victim of a violent crime, that is a hit inside your circle, too. I assure you then that you are outraged, you take it personally, and you want everything done, whether or not a law enforcement officer was involved. Being told that the violence done to them is somehow less worthy of the outrage of the society is one more outrage.</p>
<p>I understand you guys can&#8217;t be everywhere, and that even an immediate response often leaves the violence over before you arrive.</p>
<p>There was a woman here locally, abducted while she changed her baby&#8217;s diaper on the car seat at a pharmacy. She was later murdered, beaten to death with a tire rim. Her baby was thrown in a field. The baby was found alive, sunburned and dehydrated. </p>
<p>The prep got life. He appealed. Here&#8217;s the link to that appeal. Scroll down and read the &#8220;Facts&#8221; section, and tell me anyone involved in this deserved to live.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2005/041504-1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www/public/coa/opinions/2005/041504-1.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bomber Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/03/politically-correct/comment-page-1/#comment-65550</link>
		<dc:creator>Bomber Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASM826.
Having been engaged in the pursuit, apprehension and prosecution of murderers for the last 13 years, I can tell you that not one of them considers the investigation that will follow his/her act, nor the penalty he/she will receive.  Sometimes is for the thrill, sometimes to even a score, sometimes it&#039;s to eliminate a witness.  Except in rare cases, the killing of a police officer is the result of a &quot;fight or flight&quot; choice on the part of the killer.  

The majority of killers do not repeat their offense, but a cop killer is much more likely to kill again, and his victims may fall into the, &quot;to whom it may concern&quot; category, your school teachers, computer techs et al.

I&#039;ve spent months investigating  gang murders in which that day&#039;s suspect was likely to be the next day&#039;s victim.  We still care.  Are police killings taken personally?  You bet your a**!  Just as we took it personally when a Bubba was lost to a SAM site.

To expect otherwise, is to admit you don&#039;t understand the culture of men and women who place themselves in harm&#039;s way, regardless of the uniform they wear, or whether they drive an F/A-18 or a Ford Crown Victoria.

The death penalty?  Unless you live in Texas or Florida, forget it.  I have several men on death row; and they will outlive me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASM826.<br />
Having been engaged in the pursuit, apprehension and prosecution of murderers for the last 13 years, I can tell you that not one of them considers the investigation that will follow his/her act, nor the penalty he/she will receive.  Sometimes is for the thrill, sometimes to even a score, sometimes it&#8217;s to eliminate a witness.  Except in rare cases, the killing of a police officer is the result of a &#8220;fight or flight&#8221; choice on the part of the killer.  </p>
<p>The majority of killers do not repeat their offense, but a cop killer is much more likely to kill again, and his victims may fall into the, &#8220;to whom it may concern&#8221; category, your school teachers, computer techs et al.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve spent months investigating  gang murders in which that day&#8217;s suspect was likely to be the next day&#8217;s victim.  We still care.  Are police killings taken personally?  You bet your a**!  Just as we took it personally when a Bubba was lost to a SAM site.</p>
<p>To expect otherwise, is to admit you don&#8217;t understand the culture of men and women who place themselves in harm&#8217;s way, regardless of the uniform they wear, or whether they drive an F/A-18 or a Ford Crown Victoria.</p>
<p>The death penalty?  Unless you live in Texas or Florida, forget it.  I have several men on death row; and they will outlive me.</p>
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