Comments on: FORCENET and BMD http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:43:20 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Max Damage http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/comment-page-1/#comment-73124 Max Damage Fri, 27 Apr 2007 04:15:37 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/#comment-73124 I hate to sound ignorant, because in this instance I am, but occassionally the question "Why can't we?" has caused the impossible to suddenly become possible. My question is, why can't we incorporate this into the boomer fleet? Seems to me the system has two parts, the radar/tracking system and the launching platform. Well, the launching platform can be about anything, right? And after launch guidance has to be sent to the missle anyway, not the launcher, so there's really no reason they have to originate from the same platform. Finally, if we accept the idea as given (a leap, I admit) that 12 tubes or 6 tubes of MIRV doesn't make a lot of difference against most actors at this stage of the game, maybe devoting a couple or four tubes to defense becomes a way to help cost-justify the portion of the fleet we pay to disappear from sight for months? Be kind of nice to know they can play both sides if necessary. I'm just *askin* here, you know. Running it up the flagpole, so to speak. - Max I hate to sound ignorant, because in this instance I am, but occassionally the question “Why can’t we?” has caused the impossible to suddenly become possible.

My question is, why can’t we incorporate this into the boomer fleet? Seems to me the system has two parts, the radar/tracking system and the launching platform. Well, the launching platform can be about anything, right? And after launch guidance has to be sent to the missle anyway, not the launcher, so there’s really no reason they have to originate from the same platform. Finally, if we accept the idea as given (a leap, I admit) that 12 tubes or 6 tubes of MIRV doesn’t make a lot of difference against most actors at this stage of the game, maybe devoting a couple or four tubes to defense becomes a way to help cost-justify the portion of the fleet we pay to disappear from sight for months? Be kind of nice to know they can play both sides if necessary.

I’m just *askin* here, you know. Running it up the flagpole, so to speak.

– Max

]]> By: AW1 Tim http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/comment-page-1/#comment-73094 AW1 Tim Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:18:46 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/#comment-73094 Lee, Oh yeah, there are two hulls on the ways even as I type. I can look out my front window and see the superstructure of one not 200 yards away. We do need more. Hopefully we can get them into the budgets, because those tin cans are mucn more important then many folks realise. And no, I don't work for Bath Iron Works. I just live next door. Literally. Respects, Lee,

Oh yeah, there are two hulls on the ways even as I type. I can look out my front window and see the superstructure of one not 200 yards away.

We do need more. Hopefully we can get them into the budgets, because those tin cans are mucn more important then many folks realise.

And no, I don’t work for Bath Iron Works. I just live next door. Literally.

Respects,

]]> By: Lee http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/comment-page-1/#comment-73092 Lee Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:00:46 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/#comment-73092 Tim- You just need to convince them boys down DC way to give the boys up your way the green light to rev up the ways and build us more platforms! I spent a year up your way, BIW/Bath zone building my last Tin Can, loved it up there. Yup, send more of them Tin Cans down the Kenebec, to give 'em hell of course. ASW has taken a back seat to STRIKE from the time the first VLS cells touched hulls. The Sonar Techs never got much love after that, even though, inch for inch, they OWNED the ship (in so far as sheer equipment/space was concerned), second only to the Aegis geeks... Course, it was all greek to me anyway, I was a snipe... Tim-
You just need to convince them boys down DC way to give the boys up your way the green light to rev up the ways and build us more platforms! I spent a year up your way, BIW/Bath zone building my last Tin Can, loved it up there. Yup, send more of them Tin Cans down the Kenebec, to give ‘em hell of course. ASW has taken a back seat to STRIKE from the time the first VLS cells touched hulls. The Sonar Techs never got much love after that, even though, inch for inch, they OWNED the ship (in so far as sheer equipment/space was concerned), second only to the Aegis geeks…
Course, it was all greek to me anyway, I was a snipe…

]]> By: AW1 Tim http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/comment-page-1/#comment-73090 AW1 Tim Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:50:24 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/#comment-73090 heh... Yeah, I've been interested in the long game between China and the US for many years. I have many concerns, especially in regard to numbers. The concept of quality over quantity isn't always valid. We are shooting up our older escorts as targets and we are not even bothering to come close to replacing them. If we get into a strung-out war a long way from home, we may well NOT have enough escorts to protect the CV's and the auxilliaries. China is cranking out deisal boats. I am convinced she's trying to emulate the German Wolf-pack concept. She can read. She saw what our wolfpacks did to the Japanese supply lines. Compared with the lowering of our ASW capabilities through platform attrition (all types: air, sub & surface) and fewer trainex's that doesn't bode well for our side. Now, we can send our fast attacks to take out quite a few, but then what do we use to track the Chinese boomers? I am so very concerned that we'll end up like the little Dutch Boy, with more holes to plug than fingers and toes. But that's just me... sigh. Respects, heh…

Yeah, I’ve been interested in the long game between China and the US for many years. I have many concerns, especially in regard to numbers. The concept of quality over quantity isn’t always valid.

We are shooting up our older escorts as targets and we are not even bothering to come close to replacing them. If we get into a strung-out war a long way from home, we may well NOT have enough escorts to protect the CV’s and the auxilliaries.

China is cranking out deisal boats. I am convinced she’s trying to emulate the German Wolf-pack concept. She can read. She saw what our wolfpacks did to the Japanese supply lines. Compared with the lowering of our ASW capabilities through platform attrition (all types: air, sub & surface) and fewer trainex’s that doesn’t bode well for our side.

Now, we can send our fast attacks to take out quite a few, but then what do we use to track the Chinese boomers?

I am so very concerned that we’ll end up like the little Dutch Boy, with more holes to plug than fingers and toes.

But that’s just me… sigh.

Respects,

]]> By: Lee http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/comment-page-1/#comment-73089 Lee Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:35:50 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/#comment-73089 Most ARG's already have a small cadre of escorts of the Aegis variety in most instances (assuming the ARG comprises the whole of the pie-in-the-sky idea of placing KEI/BMD platforms squarely amidst 600 angry Marines per LPD, give er take a few)... I know the Navy has moved more towards littoral warfare of late since the demise of the Big Bear, but, I think the idea of turning a San Antonio Class LPD into an Aegis Platform is more "let's see what we can think of next" than reality... Bottom line, in your scenario, the Diesel Boat Skipper has the upper hand... just no way to make all those Jarheads be QUIET!!!! Most ARG’s already have a small cadre of escorts of the Aegis variety in most instances (assuming the ARG comprises the whole of the pie-in-the-sky idea of placing KEI/BMD platforms squarely amidst 600 angry Marines per LPD, give er take a few)…
I know the Navy has moved more towards littoral warfare of late since the demise of the Big Bear, but, I think the idea of turning a San Antonio Class LPD into an Aegis Platform is more “let’s see what we can think of next” than reality…
Bottom line, in your scenario, the Diesel Boat Skipper has the upper hand… just no way to make all those Jarheads be QUIET!!!!

]]> By: AW1 Tim http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/comment-page-1/#comment-73071 AW1 Tim Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:54:58 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/26/forcenet-and-bmd/#comment-73071 Shipmates, So.... there's a good wargames exercise for you: If you were a potential aggressor to the United States, and had access to a large fleet of older-style (but newly made and well-trained) deisal boats, which do you target first. The Carriers, or the BMD platforms. Of course, it's a given you'd task the X-Band Sea-Based radar regardless. Looks like someone has a bit of a dilema, and it also compounds the escort's problems during a future sea war. If the BMD ships are going to have that as primary tasking, they will need some escorts as well, which, considering our reduced contruction, makes it harder to prioritise where they will be tasked. BMD ships? CBG? Supply vessels in transit? LPDs? Interesting... Respects, Shipmates,

So…. there’s a good wargames exercise for you: If you were a potential aggressor to the United States, and had access to a large fleet of older-style (but newly made and well-trained) deisal boats, which do you target first. The Carriers, or the BMD platforms. Of course, it’s a given you’d task the X-Band Sea-Based radar regardless.

Looks like someone has a bit of a dilema, and it also compounds the escort’s problems during a future sea war. If the BMD ships are going to have that as primary tasking, they will need some escorts as well, which, considering our reduced contruction, makes it harder to prioritise where they will be tasked.

BMD ships? CBG? Supply vessels in transit? LPDs? Interesting…

Respects,

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