From the GOP’s perspective, you’re officially yesterday’s news when Peggy Noonan hits your eject button. She did so to W today, using the immigration bill as the beam that broke the camel’s back.
In the WSJ she writes:
What political conservatives and on-the-ground Republicans must understand at this point is that they are not breaking with the White House on immigration. They are not resisting, fighting and thereby setting down a historical marker–”At this point the break became final.” That’s not what’s happening. What conservatives and Republicans must recognize is that the White House has broken with them. What President Bush is doing, and has been doing for some time, is sundering a great political coalition. This is sad, and it holds implications not only for one political party but for the American future.
The White House doesn’t need its traditional supporters anymore, because its problems are way beyond being solved by the base. And the people in the administration don’t even much like the base. Desperate straits have left them liberated, and they are acting out their disdain. Leading Democrats often think their base is slightly mad but at least their heart is in the right place. This White House thinks its base is stupid and that its heart is in the wrong place.
For almost three years, arguably longer, conservative Bush supporters have felt like sufferers of battered wife syndrome. You don’t like endless gushing spending, the kind that assumes a high and unstoppable affluence will always exist, and the tax receipts will always flow in? Too bad! You don’t like expanding governmental authority and power? Too bad. You think the war was wrong or is wrong? Too bad.
But on immigration it has changed from “Too bad” to “You’re bad.”
The thrust of her article is not that the party, eager to distance itself from an unpopular president with a national election looming is leaving him – it’s that he left them, long ago through profligate domestic spending and an messianic Wilsonian foreign policy. This could almost be imagined as a kind of coordinated strategy, with George Will’s name-neutral “come to Jesus” missive in yesterday’s WaPo as the opening salvo.
I’m not instinctively a huge fan of anything that, like the senate version of this bill, has Ted Kennedy’s fingerprints all over it. But politics is above all the art of the possible and it seems better for the GOP – having failed to compromise on their own terms back before the last mid-term election when it was still possible to do so – to get something done now rather than carp on the sidelines hoping for an “impossible perfect.”
Face facts: People are still crossing that border, and the 12 million illegals that are here aren’t going anywhere.
For the administration, the last 18 months could prove curiously liberating – with the Democratic party viscerally and implacably hostile to the sound of his name, and his own party looking for any way off the boat before it sinks, the president’s people can focus more on policy than politics. It’s going to get ugly – really ugly – in the partisan sphere over the next year and a half, and the freedom to stay above the fray may actually prove a statesmanlike boon.
The challenge of course will be to govern. But statutory control of the federal bureaucracy and the constitutional privilege of the veto pen?
It’s not nothing.
Oh, it’s gonna be good. Ever think Dubyah might be taking one for the team; i.e. giving ‘08 Republican candidates cover from any negative blowback from actually doing something about illegal immigration? How cool would it be if this bill was actually the catalyst for actually doing something substantive? Any pol who supports this bill will be tied to Teddy and driven off a bridge on Chappaquiddic. He IS that kind of guy.
Cap’n,
Seeing as how the 2008 Presidential Election cycle began in 2000, I’ve become pretty well immune to the ‘politics as usual’ game.
President Bush started strong, but like many before him, wore out too soon. Even Ronald Reagan in his last two years in office seemed tired and worn out. Unfortunately, the ever present buzzards (i.e. the ‘paparazzi press – no story against Bush is too bad to print’) and others are closing their orbits.
The Amnesty Bill may well be, as Casca suggests, just a stalking horse to create a campaign issue for the Republicans. Reading the bloody thing is next to impossible, its both too long for the average American and its written in bureaucratese. Any Congress Critter that willingly votes on the thing will either a) have some staffer read it and make Clif Notes or b) do as instructed by the Party Leadership.
Either way, this country is about to undergo a Sea Change of dramatic proportions.
I’ve got one issue with your argument. You state that with 18-20 million here there’s nothing we can do. That’s not true by any means. And it doesn’t mean that we have to start rounding up illegals ala the 3rd Reich. All we have to do is start enforcing laws that already exist on the books.
1. We hammer the employers. 2-3 examples and employers are going to stop employing illegals.
2. Cut-off benefits for non-emergency situations.
With no jobs and no bennies, there’s no reason to stay here… the illegals will self select to leave the country.
Cro, it’s does seem temptingly easy to lay the burden for enforcing the country’s immigration laws on businesses, but businesses are very poor enforcement agencies. Policing their hiring practices – especially amongst the small businessses with less than 50 employees – could really be a nightmare from both the regulatory perspective and logistically – how many bureaucrats will we have to hire to police up the pay ledgers on each tire store and corner grocery?
Remember, it’s small businesses that employ most Americans and they usually operate on very slim margins. A preponderance in fact fail. The idea of “hammering” them because we – the federal government – can’t effectively secure our own borders just doesn’t make much moral or policy sense to me.
I think that if we could just stop the bleeding here, a wealthy country of 300million could probably assimilate our guests in time – although they are a strain on social services, it’s not so very bad right now.
But there will be no political will to support more enforcement unless we find a way to normalize those who are already here, some of whom have been for decades, many of whom have native born (i.e. US citizen) children and most of whom are doing jobs that no one born here would bother doing.
Ostensibly this bill does both – God knows I haven’t read it at 380 pages. I just know that something has to be done, and that this is probably about the best that can be.
I have a semi-long rant riffing on sweet Peggy?
I have a semi-long rant riffing on sweet Peggy’s demure piece entitled “PN sees Bush Deranged” which exaggerates her ire:
“Peggy is being too kind. GWB has the lack of depth and perspective a C-student at Yale who never cracked a book might be expected to have. Although his reasons for invading Iraq were not ironclad, we gave him the benefit of the doubt. But he devolved the peace after the war into the hands of a total arrogant incompetant named Rumsfeld, who grabbed the development of democracy from seasoned “professionals like Jay Garner and his team, and gave it to a loyalist hack named Bremer. And GWB was somnambulent as Ken Lay was at Enron, allowing “experts” like Cheney and Rumsfeld to overrule Shinseki and do a peace on the cheap. Of course, it was new wine into old wineskins and the seams broke.”
“Peggy does a somber sum-up that reflects my own misgivings—especially about Poppy Bush and his singular insouciance about taxes and the economy that led to Perot. Then his son squandered trillions with a Republican Senate resembling Ali Baba and his forty thieves. GWB is now realizing that the Dems write the history books and is trying to salvage his reputation by serving as Teddy Kennedy’s tea-boy, the same Kennedy who in ‘65 promised that that Immigration Law would “not allow a million immigrants a year nor change the ethnic composition of the country.” both of which it eventually did. [ditto ‘86]”
“Now REAL conservatives will have to latch onto a real Republican of the Reagan/Goldwater stripe—not transplanted Rockefeller Easterners affecting drawls and down-home cowboy charm. Like Fred Thompson or Romney. Peggy continues with a sad summary of the Bush Betrayal Family Tradition, both father and son wobbly and spineless…”
But to keep the SCOTUS from turning us into a Eurabian dystopia, I’ll hold my nose and vote for Giuliani, as long as he has Fred or Mitt on the ticket.
Lex, are you the same guy who wrote this?
Germany continues to import bottom tier labor – ?
Lex, are you the same guy who wrote this?
Germany continues to import bottom tier labor – “guest workers” – in an attempt to breathe continued life into the welfare state, but expect the exodus of the educated to accelerate as the additional social burden attendant to the needs of the newcomers is augmented by cultural factors: At some point, it’s not going to feel like “home” anymore.
Seems to me you’ve made one argument for why we need to arrange for the illegals to get legal by going home. There are more – and better – but that’s a good start.
Lex… I think that’s horse puckey. It takes minimal effort for a small employer to verify the citizenship of an employee. They need only see a birth certificate. or a passport, or a green card. Sure some may be forged…that’s why I’d say the passport is necessary.
I’m all for immigration…legal that is. My wife is a Canadian national. We went through the whole process to become legal and her finally a citizen. It took more than 10 years total and a great deal of dinero.
The whole “no one here will do the job” argument is also false. The full sentence should be no American will do the job AT THE CURRENT WAGE. Illegals artificially deflate wages in the markets where they work. remove them, the wage will have to go up in order to obtain the labor. It’s supply and demand. I work with tons of consultants that have H1Bs (IT industry) They are deflating the wages of my colleagues because a company can hire them for relative peanuts when the skills exist here already.
And by hammering employers I mean the meat packers and construction companies yadda yadda… You go for the biggest bang for your buck first. I think there is political will for that on the part of the citizens…there just isn’t the political fortitude from our so called representatives.
I’ve skimmed through the Senate version of the immigration bill and I have to say I am completely opposed to it as it stands right now. I agree with Saxy Chambliss in that it is fundamentally flawed and puts more focus on the guest worker program and “assimilating” (all I can think of when I hear that word is Star Trek) the 12 million or so illegal immigrants that are already here as opposed to stemming the tide and tightening our borders.
And the “probationary status” visas that everyone gets in 48 hours or less (assuming that their background checks…which we KNOW are checked THOROUGHLY…/sarcasm) scare the crap out of me. Look at who we’ve let in to this country already on visa status! To think that we’re going to do a better job processing probationary visas in 48 hours or less is asinine. And dangerous.
Nowhere in the bill does it designate what part of our government will be responsible for these probationary visas. Nowhere in the bill does it designate WHERE the money will come from to establish the bureaucracy to handle the applications for probationary visas. No appropriations have been made. None.
We’re putting the cart before the horse with this bill AND we’re leaving our delicate parts out in the open. I do not like that. At all.
This bill is exactly like the one that passed in ‘86 with a “compromise”. It failed.
Tell me why we need this bill? I see no reason for it.
re- “Face facts: People are still crossing that border, and the 12 million illegals that are here aren?
This bill is exactly like the one that passed in ‘86 with a “compromise”. It failed.
Tell me why we need this bill? I see no reason for it.
re- “Face facts: People are still crossing that border, and the 12 million illegals that are here aren’t going anywhere”
I agree Lex. Bill or no bill they’ll still be here BUT at least they’re still Illegal and to me that’s better than this friggin amnesty bill. Sometimes NO new LAW is a good law.
1- enforce the dang laws enacted and ignored since ‘86!
2- build the dam fence and man the B.P and ICE.
When the above is accomplished and the metrics show success..Then, and only then, can we even begin talking about changing illegals into documented aliens or even citizens…
b2
I understand that my point of view on this is not popular with the base on my side of the aisle. I’m just not one of those guys who gets night sweats over legions of itinerant Mexicans picking cabbage or washing dishes. Face it, when we’re talking illegals, that’s who we’re talking about, not H1B IT workers depressing white collar wages – that’s a separate topic.
Hammer away at meat packers all you want, but if you’re not willing to tear apart families and engage in mass deportations then you’ll wind up hammering the little guy eventually, or else driving a substantial number of gainfully employed low wage/low skill workers into an underground economy whose effects I believe you’ll like even less even as the price of foodstuffs goes through the overhead. I’ve been to the parts of Mexico some of these folks came from – you’d never get me to go back to living there, once having lived here. I’m not endorsing illegal entry, just trying to be pragmatic.
I do think we need to plug the holes and stop the bleeding on this, I always have, because whether you call it “amnesty” or whether you call it “guest worker visas” enough is plenty enough. My point is that getting the political will to build and police that fence is going to take compromise.
Thirteen percent of the US population is Hispanic, and that number is expected to grow to 22% by 2040 and they assimilate well, pace Frank, at least over the second generation. They’re a natural GOP constituency, too, believing in hard work and family.
An alternative offers if the GOP is content to be cast by its opposition as a bunch of mean spirited, anti-Hispanic racists and spend the next 100 years or so in the political wilderness as yet another achievable segment of the polis votes against the party more closely associated with their values. Not that the other party would ever stoop to doing something like that.
But if they did, we could all congratulate ourselves from the minority side of the aisle about the purity of our intentions. That’d keep us warm at least.
Wouldn’t do a damned thing about immigration though. You’ve got to be in power to affect that.
Lex, the point that a lot of us are furious about is the lack of enforcement on the border.
Build a proper barrier wall – not a “fence”, a proper barrier with belts of barbed wire, concrete, and guard towers manned 24/7 – and THEN we’ll talk about some sort of legalization scheme.
But that’s not what’s on offer. We’re being offered legalization now, barrier wall later….if ever.
Lex says: I think that if we could just stop the bleeding here, a wealthy country of 300million could probably assimilate our guests in time – although they are a strain on social services, it?
Lex says: I think that if we could just stop the bleeding here, a wealthy country of 300million could probably assimilate our guests in time – although they are a strain on social services, it’s not so very bad right now.
Well, if they have to stay, at least get them paying social security NOW–maybe they’ll make up the dearth for the 40+million and counting that we’ve killed via abortion. As it is, I’ll probably never see and SS.
Mike M says: Build a proper barrier wall – not a “fence”, a proper barrier with belts of barbed wire, concrete, and guard towers manned 24/7 – and THEN we’ll talk about some sort of legalization scheme.
I like it….but I have no idea where we’ll find men to man it. Maybe my dh’s next deployment could be there….
sigh.
d
“Build a proper barrier wall – not a ?
“Build a proper barrier wall – not a “fence”, a proper barrier with belts of barbed wire, concrete, and guard towers manned 24/7 ..”
Definitely NOT commenting on your immigration woes here but oh, the visual those words paint … first thing that came to mind – another Berlin Wall.
Will you shoot them down too?
Lex,
“Where principle is involved, be deaf to expediency”. You seem to have forgotten that lesson from the past.
I dunno if you can apply the term “expediency” to doing what can be done Bill.
Is the world on fire today, with 12 million illegals in country? Will it be any more on fire tomorrow, if they’re somehow regularized, and we preclude another 12 million from joining them?
We oughtn’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good. That’s all I’m saying.
The way I see it…it’s all about triage. Take care of the life-threatening issues first. Stem the tide. Seal the border. Fence, wall, mote…I don’t care. Where will we find the people to man it? How about we use some of the people we had planned to use to process those provisional visas? I’m sure the MinuteMen can help us out as well. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Once we have secured the borders to the best of our ability, THEN and only then can we begin to address the 12 million who are currently here. But it’s going to take time, money, and a few steps away from the PC line we’ve been towing until now. Like Hugh Hewitt has said, for those who are applying for provisional visas from countries with Islamofascist ties, we need to be so far up their butts that we can tickle their tonsils. If they don’t like it they can find another country to call home. Don’t let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
This bill is a JOKE. The whole idea is ridiculous and it leaves us open for another hit. Probably worse than 9/11. Something resembling a mushroom cloud or worse. But the morons in D.C. DON’T GET IT. And they never will. More frightening is that they don’t care.
I agree that we ought not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. But there has to be some common sense behind the good. This bill has none of that.
Has anyone here taken a look at the bill that Norm Coleman put forth (it was defeated which is a tragedy)? Powerline has the coverage of it and who voted against it. Interesting reading.
Sorry – spelled “toEing” wrong
Ladies and gents … as someone who lives “under the gun” down here in Texas, I can tell you that we in Houston have seen what seems to be a huge influx of illegal aliens in the past 15 years, partly because our besotted City Council declared Houston a “sanctuary city” and illegal border crossers automatically head for Houston.
I really agree with those who say, build the border fence and then tackle the regularization of those illegals who are already living here.
In addition, I think we should change the rules which encourage “anchor babies” — so that very pregnant illegals come staggering across the border to bear their new “little citizens” under the American flag. In effect, their parents and sisters and brothers are then anchored here for as long as they want. If any baby born on American soil were no longer automatically an American citizen even though his/her parents are not, this would take away one of the encouragements for aliens to invade our country. Let me hasten to add that this would not affect the citizenship of babies born to naturalized American citizens. They would, of course, be Americans. I don’t think our founding fathers ever envisioned how alluring the American free enterprise system would be to the citizens of the rest of the world’s countries. We’re catnip, ladies and gents, pure catnip.
Marianne Matthews
What b^2 said, at #9 above. I don’t think it’ll happen, though. The Res Publica may be on its last legs. Time for Jtg to get on the good side of the Legions.
Note to self: Send more money to Valour-IT, preserve the receipts.
Lex, you’re off the freakin’ reservation.
It’s not about picking lettuce. It’s about national sovereignty. We’re being invaded by a foreign army, and we’re picking up the tab for it.
Lex,
How do we keep the next 12 million out if nothing is done to secure the border? You say don’t wait for perfect when you can have good. Why would you consider anything in this bill as “good”. B2 is correct, no bill is better than this one. Casca is correct also, this is a national sovereignty issue. I think the term expediency exactly defines what you are proposing.
Lex,
re- “if you?
Lex,
re- “if you’re not willing to tear apart families and engage in mass deportations….”
I recommended no such thing. That is exactly the type of message that GW is using (and Dims has used for years) which Conservatives like me find, well..disheartening. From my readings I have learned that illegal immigration tears apart more families in Mexico than here…often illegals abandon those back in Mexico or fail to send back support home. Think beyond arduous Sea duty….Look. We need immigrant labor. I have NEVER said we don’t. We just need control over it.
No. I am being pragmatic.
All I recommended was to first “regulate” the border (southern border Michelle- for now). I didn’t say regulate the border like the regulator in the movie “The Missouri Breaks”. Next I said to increase enforcement internally AND at points of entry. Do this first is all with measurable objectives.
Stop the hemorhaging and then we can find a systemic “cure” for the disease.
b2
It’s a prickly issue to be certain. I don’t know if the country has the stomach to deport 12 million people. But we also don’t have the resources to support another 12 million.
Build the fence/wall – whatever it needs to be. And yes, enforce it 24/7 – whatever it takes. And like Marianne said above – remove the “incentive” that makes an illegal’s child born here a legal citizen.
The fact is that we, the USA, has allowed this illegal thing to continue unabated for decades. We want to close the barn door, but the livestock are now MILES away. We don’t like it, and we now recognize how big the beast has gotten. There are no easy answers and I’m with Lex – it’s going to take compromise to make anything work in the right way.
If the Democrats could have run a pro-defense candidate such as Lieberman in 2004, that candidate would have cleaned W’s block. The crows are coming home to roost–at heart he’s not a conservative. The huge holes he has left in national security in order to protect his alleged Hispanic base are nigh onto unforgivable. After years of calling any critic of the war effort un-American, he’s now turned to calling any critic of this truly malicious immigration bill a racist, a hater of brown people. No doubt, on 12 September 2001, he was a far better president to have than Al Gore. But that was a long, long time ago. 2008 looks bleak, indeed.
Hey b2, I know you didn’t recommend deportations and broken families. I just think that’s where the “internal enforcement” policy will inevitably lead. Let’s say you bust open the employment ledgers at the Massive Meat Packing Company and find that of the 1000 employees there, fully one hundred of the browner beggars can’t instantly provide documentation of legal entry. You either bundle them all up knowing that you’ve probably netted at least a dozen or so legal immigrants, maybe more (and violating their civil rights, as well as making continued employment at the MMPC improbable) or else you let them all go with an order to show up in court in six weeks with proof of legal residence. Knowing that none of the illegals will do so, seeking alternative employment.
Since the word’s out on the street that the feds are targeting large companies, the illegals flee to small companies where they’re harder to find. You get tired of letting them go by now, so you put them in prison for weeks – months? – trying to sort out who should be here and who shouldn’t. Lawyers get involved, and it all gets pretty pricey. Eventually you deport them, and the other 12 million, having first taken them off the payroll and placed them on the prison dole for however long it takes to determine their status.
Some of them will have had children while living here, who are now of course citizens and will likely end up being wards of the state since their illegal but loving parents demonstrably prefer to leave their kids here in a land of opportunity than take them back to the old country – and I know no one here would recommend that we retroactively change the policy of live birth as citizenship.
Look, if this was simple – either logistically or morally, it would have been done already. I’ve said all along that the border needs enforcement, that we need a better wall. We also need access to cheap labor for jobs you couldn’t pay a native to do unless we’re prepared to spend a very great deal more for things like, well: food. That we’ve grown accustomed to eating.
We need to make sense of this mess, the current laws are for whatever reason unenforceable. Seems to me like we need a new one. The last congress lost their chance to shape a policy based on their preferred principles, now the choice is compromise with Chappaquiddick Ted or the status quo.
You are of course free to disagree – most folks here will. I’m aight with that.
The answer is simple.
Enforce the laws we already have on the books.
It’s not that hard. Proof of citizenship for government services, Required!
I could arrest and deport 2000 illeagals myself, just by going downtown to the City Sanctioned Day labor pick up point.
Amen, Unkawill.
Lex, that “jobs no American will do” bit is a canard, and you must know it. These are low-skill entry level jobs that once eased folks on the low end of the employment skills spectrum into the workforce. As for the increased cost of hiring US Citizens to do these jobs, what the hell do you think is going to happen when all these illegals receive the blessing of the state? They’ll be card carrying union members in six months. Won’t that be special.
How do you countenance all this lawlessness, for it doesn’t stop with illegal entry? Just make it all legal? Woohoo, I could stand a little amnesty myself!
Are you throwing gas on the fire to kick your hits up? To quote Pvt Pyle, “for shame, for shame, for shame”.
I abandon hope of changing any minds on this – abandoned it long ago, in fact. But with unemployment lingering at around 4.5%, I don’t know who out there is eager to abandon the welfare rolls in hopes of landing a cush job plucking raisins under a Fresno summer sun. Or wash dishes. Or serve as a hotel maid. At least if you regularize their status as guest workers, you can get them chipping in to the tax base on a more formal basis.
Enforcing the laws we already have means looking over the shoulder of pretty much everyone who hires anyone. That’s a really, really big job. Intrusive and costly.
The biggest flaw I see in any legislation that provides “another method” to becoming a citizen, is this fact:
Most of the people who come here illegally don’t want to be citizens…they want to make money. Even if we said “everyone who is here now is legal, just come pick up your card”, truly, how many illegals would actually even do that?
And I will also throw myself into the lot: Throwing up our hands and saying “it’s just too hard” to deport or enforce laws against illegal business hiring, just doesn’t sound like the American spirit that made this country great to begin with.
I can’t support a bill that makes it easier for illegals to become citizens than for people who choose to follow the law. I’ve watched couples here in Japan go through the pain that it takes to get a green card-and they have done nothing wrong besides marrying a US Serviceman.
The current laws need to be enforced. Businesses need to be held to account for not checking credentials when they hire someone. And illegals when caught need to be packed off immediately.
If we need more immigration quotas, and perhaps a more reasonable standard to get residency-e.g. a scale of employment permits that’s one thing. But just letting the folks who are here get legal in 24 hours even though they pay a fine makes no sense.
Then again legal residents have to be paid a legal wage-which is what this bill is really all about. Its a business friendly and not America friendly.
Oh, we do. It would require belt-tightening that this country is unwilling to allow.
I think the discussion/argument regarding what to do with the 12 million that are already here before developing a solid, enforceable, actionable plan that secures our borders and stems the tide of illegals that enter our country on a daily basis is putting the cart before the horse.
One thing at a time.
Lex ~ I understand where you’re coming from and part of me agrees with you. I don’t think we have the stomach to deport the illegals that are here at the moment as it would mean tearing families apart. And would the additional strain on social services once those families were torn apart outweigh the strain on our social services we are seeing at the moment?
Pragmatism has its place.
What are our priorities? Does the task of deciding what to do about the people who are currently here illegally take precedence over securing the border? Or is it the other way around? We cannot come up with a workable solution until we make that determination. Arguing beyond that is a waste of time, energy, and brain cells.
Lex,
Gee. You make it sound like not passing THIS bill is brownshirt and jackboot time in spite of ourselves. I offer a contrary opinion. We need these people. They aren’t just doing lawncare in California anymore. They build and roof our houses, pick our produce and work in packing houses..Everywhere in the US. Forcing them out isn’t gonna happen because #1- we don’t have the capability
#2- it wouldn’t be in our interest.
Ask those who have immigrated here legally and became citizens or those with green cards. They hate this bill..Mainly we are talking about the illegal migrants who have no intention of citizenship but just didn’t take the time to stand in line. They illegally entered the US and like Prowler says above, they have no intention of being citizens.
This bill sucks. Sure we need immigration reform, but we need to gat a handle on things at the border and with enforcement internally. Need you forget: same sponsor- Ted Kennedy-same fundamental bill as ‘86.
It’s easier than you think if the present laws were just enforced to get a handle. Please read this and use your imagination. I trust you may look at it differently:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20070525-090248-5252r.htm
ID the big abusers and within a week pink sheets would be handed out saying “go back and get in line”..meanwhile we can work on getting dang border and those precursors I mentioned above in work.
I ain’t attacking you or am I in disagreement with much you have to say on this issue from a lot of perspectives. I have a heart too (somewhere?)..but this ain’t 1986. It’s 2007- nearly 6 years since 9-11. Now or never- the right way.
b2
Better pick a ditch to fight in now boys. Heard a great joke about LA the other day. Seems the latest reports are that LA is the dirtiest city in the US, or the cleanest city in Mexico, one or the other.
They’ve elected Antonio VivaLaRaza as mayor. He’ll be the next governor here too.
Well, when I made the comment on that previous post, I wasn’t trying to be rude’n racist, just honest about how the crazy human monkeys think. I think yer all dangerous, m’self.
I just think that the ones from Northern Europe are slightly less dangerous to me myself than the rest of the bunch.
Though I am always suspicious of the Sassenach with his sweaty little hands on the levers of power.