I just think that the ones from Northern Europe are slightly less dangerous to me myself than the rest of the bunch.

Though I am always suspicious of the Sassenach with his sweaty little hands on the levers of power.

They’ve elected Antonio VivaLaRaza as mayor. He’ll be the next governor here too.

Gee. You make it sound like not passing THIS bill is brownshirt and jackboot time in spite of ourselves. I offer a contrary opinion. We need these people. They aren’t just doing lawncare in California anymore. They build and roof our houses, pick our produce and work in packing houses..Everywhere in the US. Forcing them out isn’t gonna happen because #1- we don’t have the capability
#2- it wouldn’t be in our interest.

Ask those who have immigrated here legally and became citizens or those with green cards. They hate this bill..Mainly we are talking about the illegal migrants who have no intention of citizenship but just didn’t take the time to stand in line. They illegally entered the US and like Prowler says above, they have no intention of being citizens.

This bill sucks. Sure we need immigration reform, but we need to gat a handle on things at the border and with enforcement internally. Need you forget: same sponsor- Ted Kennedy-same fundamental bill as ’86.

It’s easier than you think if the present laws were just enforced to get a handle. Please read this and use your imagination. I trust you may look at it differently:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20070525-090248-5252r.htm

ID the big abusers and within a week pink sheets would be handed out saying “go back and get in line”..meanwhile we can work on getting dang border and those precursors I mentioned above in work.

I ain’t attacking you or am I in disagreement with much you have to say on this issue from a lot of perspectives. I have a heart too (somewhere?)..but this ain’t 1986. It’s 2007- nearly 6 years since 9-11. Now or never- the right way.

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I don’t know if the country has the stomach to deport 12 million people. But we also don’t have the resources to support another 12 million.

Oh, we do. It would require belt-tightening that this country is unwilling to allow.

I think the discussion/argument regarding what to do with the 12 million that are already here before developing a solid, enforceable, actionable plan that secures our borders and stems the tide of illegals that enter our country on a daily basis is putting the cart before the horse.

One thing at a time.

Lex ~ I understand where you’re coming from and part of me agrees with you. I don’t think we have the stomach to deport the illegals that are here at the moment as it would mean tearing families apart. And would the additional strain on social services once those families were torn apart outweigh the strain on our social services we are seeing at the moment?

Pragmatism has its place.

What are our priorities? Does the task of deciding what to do about the people who are currently here illegally take precedence over securing the border? Or is it the other way around? We cannot come up with a workable solution until we make that determination. Arguing beyond that is a waste of time, energy, and brain cells.

The current laws need to be enforced. Businesses need to be held to account for not checking credentials when they hire someone. And illegals when caught need to be packed off immediately.

If we need more immigration quotas, and perhaps a more reasonable standard to get residency-e.g. a scale of employment permits that’s one thing. But just letting the folks who are here get legal in 24 hours even though they pay a fine makes no sense.

Then again legal residents have to be paid a legal wage-which is what this bill is really all about. Its a business friendly and not America friendly.