Given the fact that significant effort is being put forth to elasticize the previously accepted definition of “marriage”, is it fair to ask whether a “radical feminist” raising adolescent male children while living in a non-traditional relationship is suited to the task of bringing to maturity a well-adjusted, self-actualized citizen?
Given an affirmative answer to the previous question, is it right to wonder whether the indoctrination of said male children into the precepts of radical feminism – no matter how deeply held by the parent – is tantamount to psychological abuse?
Discuss.
Wow. Just wow.
Stuff like this always reminds me of the line from the movie “Parenthood”, and I’ll paraphrase for decorum’s sake:
“…you need a license to buy a dog, to drive a car – hell, you even need a license to catch a fish. But they’ll let any … a–hole be a [parent].”
I can’t imagine how this poor kid can ever respect himself or another life if he grows up in a home where his mother has openly declared her desire for him to have never been born.
I’d put the odds of this young man ending up an emotionally functional adult at about one in a gozillion.
Wow. Poor boy! I think the most telling thing is that (as stated in comments) he resisted carrying a flat of flowers at the store because “it was feminine.” A healthy 14-year-old boy would either express resistance because of laziness or be glad to help. I’ll agree with his mother that he obviously hates women. However, it’s not for the reasons SHE thinks. I sure hope his father is still in the picture enough to come rescue him. He needs a
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He needs a man and a positive parent in his life (apparently for him that would be the same person).
Jeopardy, it’s worse than that. The idea that his mother wanted to abort him is bad enough. But think of the psycho-sexual scars when he realizes that his mother fears him for his very natural urges (setting aside the debate about porn, the desire for the porn stems from a good and natural urge). Imagine the inner conflict in a man who has the emotional/physical desire for a woman when he’s been trained that to follow through on the healthy desire is rape.
People with such obvious mental illness shouldn’t be allowed to raise children, who would be susceptible, and couldn’t escape (even with a second parent to counteract the poison.)
But then, there are quite a few things I find to be “illness” that this society tolerates–no, wait, make that coddles–as part of the norm.
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I, for one, if I knew this woman personally, would feel compelled to report her as an unsafe situation for that child.
Not that our social programs would help any.
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The dc cat grew up in the progressive East Bay, during all of the 70’s. Totally indoctrinated in Feminism and the superiority of womyn, in general.
The loudest and most man hating of these folks always tended to be the ones who just didn’t seem to like to “get along”. I dated one for a period of time, back in the late 70’s. I amused her, as she felt I was maladjusted and she could bring me back to the fold.
It’s too easy to paint all of these nice Bay Area feminists with a broad brush, but the ones I personally knew tended to be hard on the eyes.
Noel Coward said that the best revenge is “living well”.
The spousal unit has strong feelings for some issues, like equal treatment, pay. She votes conservative and is pro-military. But she likes it when I cook and do the laundry. Fair enough, since she earns four times what I make.
I feel inadequate. NOT!
I should have added that his odds of ending up in a clock tower with a high-powered rifle are probably considerably better.
Either that or his neighbors will make statements like “he was quiet, kept to himself” or “I’d never have thought that could happen here” to the reporters as the crime scene guys in the background remove yet another carton of evidence from his house.
I left out the part of; To each, their own.
I don’t think for many of these types it’s a question of “elasticizing” the definition of marriage as much as it is a will to destroy the idea itself.
And they have their svengali in Nietzsche:”I have killed the law, and I have for the law the horror that the living have for a corpse; unless I am above the law, I am the greatest of all transgressors.”(Aurore)
unnhh..head hurts…must rest…
Cap’n, et al,
During the recent YouTube/Democrat Presidential Candidate ‘debate’, Senator Joseph Biden, in response to one ‘YouTuber’ (is that some sort of vegetable?) said ‘I don’t know that he is mentally qualified to own that gun. I’m being serious.’ Now, as those who read this blog know, any person possessing a firearm is capable of ending another person’s life. Too often are we presented with evidence of mental disturbance and murder/homicide.
After reading the evidence and, following Sen. Biden’s example, I don’t she is mentally qualified to be a parent. I being serious.
Must. Read. Preview. Before. Hitting. Submit.
Correction: I don’t know if she is mentally qualified to be a parent. I’m being serious here.
Must. Read. Preview. Before. Hitting. Submit.
Must. Read. Preview. Before. Hitting. Submit.
Must. Read. Preview. Before. Hitting. Submit.
Obviously this womyn hates men and is totally disgusted that she had a boy instead of a girl to bully and browbeat and humiliate.
Some children can rise above their upbringing; I hope this young man can, but mommydearest has probably ruined him from polite society forever.
Here is one bad example of a website in a reinforcing echo chamber of wrongheadedness — there’s no one to jump in an smack her self-centeredness in real life either.
FbL: “I sure hope his father is still in the picture enough to come rescue him.”
His “father” is likely a test tube. Because if this woman really does consider sex to be rape, how could she possibly have had sex with a man in the first place. There is clearly no father or father-figure in this poor boy’s life, because that would mean another male in her life.
I can’t imagine what it must be like for that boy to grow up in that environment. Sure, he can recite feminist literature all the live long day, but at the end of that day, he’s still male.
Jeopardy – you got the quote exactly right. “Parenthood” is one of my favorite movies, in large part because it is a REAL illustration of what loving families are like. Imperfect but in the end, accepting. Something this poor boy will never know about.
That poor kid is most definitely experiencing abuse…child, or otherwise. Hell, given the opportunity, his mother would abuse ME, of that I have no doubt. As a matter of fact, after diving much deeper into this sorry tale than I intended, I do feel abused.
Kris… the womyn in question was in a relationship where she herself was abused, as in semi-consensual BDSM activity (husband initiated, she “went along”). At least that’s the take-away I got by reading some of the excerpts attributed to her and her blog. Her son wasn’t sired in a test tube, he happened “normally,” and I use the scare quotes advisedly.
Wow, poor kid, hopefully he runs far far away at the earliest opportunity.
Equality of opportunity, cool. Equal pay for Equal work, sure. Hell, I’m not even against gay marriage.
Wishing your kid was never born because he looks at porn… Branding him a rapist if he’s ever lucky enough to find another teen that thinks he’s a bit of alright… yeah…. that’s this whole other thing.
And yeah, being not so long from full time University (and probably back soon) I’ve an inbuilt suspicion of anyone they believes there’s a y in women.
Wow Buck – you are a BRAVE man for wading thru that blog. I didn’t want my IP address registered there for even a nanosecond, let alone for an actual read. Given that he happened “normally”, I’m quite surprised she didn’t go out and get it “taken care of”…and there’s the real abuse. She makes her own child know that every day, that she regrets not terminating him in the first place.
Abuse indeed.
I have nothing but disgust for her and empathy for her son.
She needs to seek psychiatric help post haste.
As others have opined, the child will have a tough life ahead of him.
Radically hateful ignorance is no way to raise a child. Or to live your life.
Ivan Karamazov understood that where there is no God, it logically follows that there is no immortality, no virtue, and “everything is lawful.”
I’m reminded of Ralph Fiennes’ character in the movie “Red Dragon.” For anyone who has seen the movie, the same sort of abuse is depicted, and it doesn’t end pleasantly.
~Ens Tim
It’s God’s sense of humor. She has created her worst nightmare… A man who will hate women. His choices are limited, turn queer, become a womanizer, or vent his anger through rape. The chances of him becoming a real rapist are probably pretty high.
There are a lot of women who can’t handle the transition from childhood dependency, to the independence of manhood. Add to that the conventional wisdom, that men are superflous, and you have a real witches brew.
this is a perverse and egregious example of the many ways that kids can be denied unconditional love by feckless parents. it’s not a death sentence or a guarantee of a starring role in a thomas harris novel, but it’s a tragedy for the kid, and something he will have to struggle with. (though some people seem to survive it well if they can find a replacement.)
but if you have to actually tell someone this….ach.
And, pace gray/karamazov, but i am not convinced that G-d is necessary here. or, rather, if She is, then She is brought into this world by our unconditional love so whether we create G-d or vice versa seems moot.
or something like that.
quick…someone tell a joke….
Someone needs to get CPS on the job – quick.
Something so hateful, so vile, should never be said by a parent. Even moreso, it should never be published. I hope it’s used in court against her. It’s literally making me nauseous.
I hope that he finds his way somehow and finds a way to put her behind him. I just wish there was a way we could help.
God has a sense of humor, I’m convinced of it. Maybe he’ll turn into a gun owning red state Republican that has a wife that’s into NASCAR and country music.
ASM826, I like your take on it–the first comment on this topic that has made me smile. If his true spirit is strong enough and refuses to be cowed, he will rebel against her in every way possible as soon as he can. That’s his best chance at happiness, I suspect.
The gays can have marriage. Read WhyIDont.com – Why men are saying I DON’T!
I should have added Malcolm Muggeridge’s quote, “God must surely have a sense of humor. How else could he stand the eternal soap opera of human existence?”
Great comments from all notwithstanding, this whole topic has made me nauseous…I refuse to ruin the start of the weekend….dinner tonight with number three son (27yrs)…plan to give him a big hug and say a prayer for that poor kid. Best
I’m with SE ~ it nauseated me as well. However, when it comes to the spirit, I am an optimist. I know people who have risen above worse to become wonderful, productive, and normal (inasmuch as anyone can claim to be “normal”) adults who have successful lives. And by “successful” I mean that they did not wind up repeating the mistakes and abuse heaped on them in their childhood and are leading productive, happy, healthy lives.
Rising above the horrors of one’s childhood CAN be done – I speak from experience. However, the fact that that child is having to deal with the horrors mentioned in this topic sickens me and makes my heart ache. He’s going to have a helluva roe to hoe and my prayers are with him.
Dear God! I raised two boys and totally loved it!
I am reminded of the essay a few years ago by a woman that wanted to have an abortion because she didn’t want to buy big jars of mayonnaise at the Price Club and move out of her tiny apartment in NYC.
Same stripe!
What makes the little hairs on the back of my neck stand up is this silly creature’s insults to the glorious English language we all share that those of my ilk so valiantly try to protect. “Womyn” indeed. Hmmph! And that poor child is going into life terribly handicapped by not realizing that it’s wonderful that there are two sexes and it’s great that they’re different, and if he’s lucky he can spend the rest of his life exploring those differences. In a nice way, of course.
Marianne Matthews
“Dear God! I raised two boys and totally loved it!”
Oh sure…that’s what you tell everyone online…
For those not in-the-know, “womyn” is shorthand for lesbians. I could be wrong, but I’m not.
I am truly disappointed with the lot of you. I thought this group in particular could and would do better. Nobody is trapped by their upbringing. If so, then the South would still be mired in Jim Crow, if not outright slavery. Every human being is capable of rational thought and can accept personal responsibility for their actions as an individual. We are hugely fortunate that the underpinnings of modern “liberal” thought, including most of our home-grown “extremists” (feminists, environmentalists, athiests, homosexuals, global warming activists, racial grievance activists, Peace above all, and even socialists) all attempt to justify their actions in a logical thought framework. In trying to indoctrinate their progeny, they inadvertently infect them with the fundamental elements of “Western” thought. “If A then B” starts a human mind into a process that is only limited by our ability to decieve ourselves. Unfortunately, the capacity for self deception is limited by the barbarian sword/bullet/suicide bomb. We must choose to lose, personally or as a nation.
An individual can rise above a hate-filled, grievance-centric upbringing.
As my proof of concept, I would like to point to the example of an individual raised and indoctrinated in one of the most peace-oriented (Cult/Religion/Faith) groups ever who became a model warrior.
Life is tough. It is tougher if you are stupid.
http://www.alvincyork.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_C._York
Casca-
Not always lesbian (at least in my experience), just tiresome radicals that like to blame men for, well, pretty much everything.
Strangely enough the friends I have that lean that way are’t like that at all, probably why I’m friends with them
Poor kid. His mother is giving him all the ammo he needs to turn into exactly what she hates the most.
This woman is utterly psychotic beyond all words. Frankly, I’m somewhere between disgusted and flabbergasted.
Oh, yeah, Casca, I too have sometimes thought that the Deity (whoever He is, and as much as I respect him and try to let Him know that I’m thinking about Him) has a rather low and nasty sense of humor.
How else can we explain the stinkhorn fungus?
Might one dare to suggest that the “mother” is indeed not a MILF?
I noticed that the commenters over at Ace’s place have done their usual low-road, nasty, evil, totally accurate assessment of what she wrote.
Sample quote: “Good parenting is all about the stomping.” Ow!
My own mother tried to raise me to act “normal.” I don’t think she succeeded, entirely, but I can mostly simulate it if you people don’t get on my nerves too much.
I’m with ASM826 – let’s hope the poor kid gets a chance far FAR away from this woman!
Oh, another quote from the comments at Ace’s place: “She sounds exactly like the kind of demeaning oppressive mother that most serial killers grow up with…”
Let me say again, my mother was a *good* influence on me, and did her best to make me a person who could walk around in public without being arrested on sight, and also understand the importance of the location of the center of mass to stability in model airplanes.
Sounds like 2008 version of Norman Bates’s mother to me. It’s a bizzarro world….
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Speaking of noisome women, and since it’s Saturday and time to change the subject, some of us are fans of Rodger the Real King of France.
Oh, dear. I ran into a lot of these folks in New England in the late ’80’s. Funny thing is, having kids by AI is more likely to yield a male child. Be that as it may.
The mother’s problem is malignant narcissism, not radical feminism. Her son is individuating. Gee. Adolescents do things to piss off their parents. News Flash. And the children of Bishops tend to be the wild ones. Go figure.
There is something wrong with someone who equates all sex with rape, and has a problem with children exploring their sexuality–all do. All adolescent males will be interested in looking at naked people. Eventually, they learn the inadequacies of the fake, and learn to interact with real people. Mothers like this don’t help.
Kids survive worse.
“Eventually, they learn the inadequacies of the fake, and learn to interact with real people.”
Will, at what age does that happen? I’m still waiting. I think Skippy is too.
That was absolutely sick.
Damn feminazi.
She really needs some mental help.
Then again, you can’t fix stupid.
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Casca, I always liked Terpsboy better. Maybe, in my fifties, I’ve finally reached 15 years old in emotional-sexual terms?
Still makes me more psychosexually mature than Aviators! Ppphphbbph!
(I’ll not even attempt to begin to discuss the mind of the Marine. Though I must say, the Marines I have met have been surprisingly pleasant and indulgent to me.)
If you think their definition of marriage is elastic, you should see their definition of rape. If you buy a woman a drink and proposition her, you’ve raped her. For many of this stripe, even if you don’t actually end up in bed with her.