Comments on: Paternalism

By: Burnout » Paternalism

Burnout » Paternalism — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:00:26 +0000

[...] Jenny Wrayne wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptI think it was George Will who acerbically noted that one of the more off-putting features of liberalism, at least in its most recent form, is the underlying paternalism in so many of its communal prescriptions. … [...]

By: lex

lex — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 21:38:46 +0000

We have all started out here discussing in good faith an issue which has tremendous emotional resonance for many of us, in different ways. That’s all to the good, and much encouraged.

But we have also come close, if not actually crossed over, the kind of behavior that questions peoples’ motivations more than their arguments, and we are perilously close to personalizing what ought to be a civil discussion – the kind that is so very valuable to members of our community.

I do hope everyone will step back, take a deep breath and remember that while there are many places online to engage in personal enmity, this is not one of them

Thanks,

Your host.

By: doorkeeper

doorkeeper — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:12:59 +0000

wow–the definition of projection.
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By: Babs

Babs — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:57:27 +0000

Funny how “rude” is defined by you as someone who disagrees. Guess that also implies that my stress level is elevated.
I think you are all crazy; what ? You don’t think that of anyone else in the universe?
I can’t help but think that I am the first person that didn’t back down from your crazy theory(oh yeah, the gov’t FORCING us to submit to innoculations). It must upset you terribly door.
I am so sorry about that. I wish someone would have taken you on long ago.

By: Jennifer

Jennifer — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:56:36 +0000

Hey Babs,
Your posts are so mean spirited and I do not understand this.

I have never been called crazy or an extremist in my entire life. Ever. I had no idea that the belief that the family doctor would know more about their patients care and needs, then the government, would put me into those classifications.

If you look back at my original posts, I did not say that I was anti vaccine. I stated that I did not endorse them. And I don’t. You will also noticed that I mentioned that I stated that my children were indeed vaccinated. Some until beyond school aage and the youngest until she was two. I did not know that I should have questioned their safety.

Babs… I have 5 children, 4 have had seizures. Only one of those have been from vaccine damage. Not all of them. And my son with the vaccine injury is the only one who still struggles.
I take my kids to the doctor on a regular basis, for well checks, asthma, sports injuries, ear infections. They are monitored closely. When there is conversation about vaccines, my doctor and I have long conversations about all the odds. Of not having the shot, the odds of the illness being contracted. Odds of the risks. Then we make the the descision for what is best for my kids. Sometimes that may mean they get a shot, sometimes not.

What I am saying is that the families.. or you as the patient should have the right to chose your course of treatment or care, not the government. Most families will probably vaccinate and some will not, that is our right, to choose.

and as for your statement

Fine, so be it. Jennifer, I get it, you home school your children. One day they will have to come out into the society

My kids are already in society….. every day, they do not live in a closet. Thank you very much.

By: Babs

Babs — Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:32:10 +0000

Hey, I’m done. Don’t expect me to check in here again.
I’m so happy my children and I don’t have to fight this battle any longer.
Get all your facts lined up kids, the evil gov’t is out to innoculate you and there is nothing your parents can do about it!
What a bunch of lunatics.