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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/09/06/old-school-flight-ops/comment-page-1/#comment-412611</link>
		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.history.navy.mil/nan/backissues/1960s/1961/sep61.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Hancock&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;i&gt;Note she is anchored here. It was the SIOP days....&lt;/i&gt;

AFAIK, unlike the previous AJ Savages no A-3s ever operated from a straight deck, but they did routinely operate from the 27 Charlies. 

The reason the A-3 was an ~80,000 lb aircraft and not the 100, 000 lb beast the USN originally wanted was because Ed Heineman correctly postulated the USN would want Heavy Attack aboard the converted Essex&#039;s and Midway&#039;s as well as the Forrestal&#039;s. 

Shamelessaly lifted the wing dance pic from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.a3skywarrior.com/photos17.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; where you can get the &quot;rest of the story&quot; as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the <a href="http://www.history.navy.mil/nan/backissues/1960s/1961/sep61.pdf" rel="nofollow"><i>Hancock</i></a></p>
<p><i>Note she is anchored here. It was the SIOP days&#8230;.</i></p>
<p>AFAIK, unlike the previous AJ Savages no A-3s ever operated from a straight deck, but they did routinely operate from the 27 Charlies. </p>
<p>The reason the A-3 was an ~80,000 lb aircraft and not the 100, 000 lb beast the USN originally wanted was because Ed Heineman correctly postulated the USN would want Heavy Attack aboard the converted Essex&#8217;s and Midway&#8217;s as well as the Forrestal&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Shamelessaly lifted the wing dance pic from <a href="http://www.a3skywarrior.com/photos17.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> where you can get the &#8220;rest of the story&#8221; as well.</p>
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		<title>By: lex</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/09/06/old-school-flight-ops/comment-page-1/#comment-412615</link>
		<dc:creator>lex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great pics, Sid. Amazing they&#039;d even try to land a Whale on that last deck. What ship was that? Was that a straight deck carrier?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great pics, Sid. Amazing they&#8217;d even try to land a Whale on that last deck. What ship was that? Was that a straight deck carrier?</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You want to get get a good belly laugh from an old A-3 codger (redundant term I &#039;spose) let them hear about how some now consider  the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/k20000/k22688.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FID&lt;/a&gt; a &quot;small deck&quot;...

It can be argued those who flew in the West Coast A3D dets Way Back When could wax eloquent about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg17photos/Adams11.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; small decks&lt;/a&gt;....

&lt;i&gt;note the position of the mirror landing aid&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want to get get a good belly laugh from an old A-3 codger (redundant term I &#8216;spose) let them hear about how some now consider  the <a href="http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/k20000/k22688.jpg" rel="nofollow">FID</a> a &#8220;small deck&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>It can be argued those who flew in the West Coast A3D dets Way Back When could wax eloquent about <a href="http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg17photos/Adams11.jpg" rel="nofollow"> small decks</a>&#8230;.</p>
<p><i>note the position of the mirror landing aid</i></p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
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		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;PS, Nicknamed a Whale ?…was it because it was as big as a whale or that the pilot had a whale of a time landing the beast…or possably both ? &lt;/i&gt;

The moniker  &quot;Whale&quot; seemed to originate on the west coast in the late &#039;60s. Never heard it used around Sanford while the A-3 were still there....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>PS, Nicknamed a Whale ?…was it because it was as big as a whale or that the pilot had a whale of a time landing the beast…or possably both ? </i></p>
<p>The moniker  &#8220;Whale&#8221; seemed to originate on the west coast in the late &#8217;60s. Never heard it used around Sanford while the A-3 were still there&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: sid</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/09/06/old-school-flight-ops/comment-page-1/#comment-412619</link>
		<dc:creator>sid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 13:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;A3D (all 3 dead) had a rather bad rep as far as survival rates go.&lt;/i&gt;

A rep not entirely deserved.  Back in the 50s Naval Aviation suffered on average a Class A accident &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt; a day&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. 

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.parlier.com/web_resources/rampstr1.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;More diminutive&lt;/a&gt; aircraft types had their share of troubles about the boat as well.

Especially during the bomber era...after flawed personnel policies led to an ignominious incident in which a Sixth Fleet CarDiv threw one A-3  squadron off the boat were rectified... A-3 squadrons operated aboard as well as any other. 

Later on, as the remaining  queer bird &quot;Whales&quot; spent less time around the boat and the requisite stick skills to sucessfully operate such a big 1948 vintage aircraft aboard were not as good as they perhaps should have been, that rep &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.portlyautey.com/ECM-2.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tragically&lt;/a&gt; gained traction again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>A3D (all 3 dead) had a rather bad rep as far as survival rates go.</i></p>
<p>A rep not entirely deserved.  Back in the 50s Naval Aviation suffered on average a Class A accident <i><b> a day</b></i>. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.parlier.com/web_resources/rampstr1.jpg" rel="nofollow">More diminutive</a> aircraft types had their share of troubles about the boat as well.</p>
<p>Especially during the bomber era&#8230;after flawed personnel policies led to an ignominious incident in which a Sixth Fleet CarDiv threw one A-3  squadron off the boat were rectified&#8230; A-3 squadrons operated aboard as well as any other. </p>
<p>Later on, as the remaining  queer bird &#8220;Whales&#8221; spent less time around the boat and the requisite stick skills to sucessfully operate such a big 1948 vintage aircraft aboard were not as good as they perhaps should have been, that rep <a href="http://www.portlyautey.com/ECM-2.htm" rel="nofollow">tragically</a> gained traction again.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/09/06/old-school-flight-ops/comment-page-1/#comment-412628</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 22:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://airlinepilotcentral.com/web_video/now_showing/broken_wings_20060528101.html

Get a cup of coffee...37 min...riveting.</description>
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<p>Get a cup of coffee&#8230;37 min&#8230;riveting.</p>
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