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You keep saying “modern”

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Muslim scientists have made all discoveries of the current age, said University of Columbia

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16 comments to You keep saying “modern”

  • So how come they don’t have their own “bombs” by now? I guess that’s because they wanted to show how peaceful they are, and now…they have been pushed to the brink, so they must get one (or maybe 80) in Pakistan right away.

    Yeah…kinda like it used to be the Soviets invented/created/discovered everything…

  • George AC1 Retired

    I didn’t know Al Gore was Muslim

  • AW1 Tim

    Shipmates,

    Every fascist society rewrites the textbooks to bring them inline with what the party wants. Islam is no exception.

    The Romans did it, Hitler & Mussolini did it, the Soviets did it, Castro did it, Chavez is doing it, and the IslamoFascists are just keeping the tradition alive and well.

    respects,

  • DoesNotMatter

    Maybe they have taken a page from this christian subsect – Mormons, I believe – who baptize the dead ?

  • jpr

    “Don’t know nuthin’ bout history…”

    Guess I’m not Muslim, I’m terrible in all of those subject areas. Also, the author forgot to include their society-altering contributory discpline “Slaughtering the Infidel,” to say nothing of their revolutionary ground-breaking work on Women’s Studies.

    ps–where do you find this stuff??

  • Michelle

    Gee, who knew?
    Guess that’s why I keep coming here, I learn so much.

  • ELP

    Sounds kind of selfish of the little *******. One would think it was Allah’s will.

  • Mark Miller

    “I do not think it means what you think it means”

    INCONCEIVABLE!

  • blackeagle603

    ahh, yes the much vaunted “Golden Age” of Islam. That would be when Islam took credit for the residual intellectual horsepower of conquered Christendom — and rode into the ground.

    Check up on how many of those “Muslim” discoverers were actually Dhimmi Christians and Jews who had “submitted” to the religion of peace to save their necks.

  • USMC Steve

    In a word of rebuttal:

    Bull F**king Sh*t.

    Rat bastards couldn’t make a fist.

    Edited by siteowner

  • bobble

    Upon linking to and reading the article, my first thought was that the “University of Columbia” is perhaps an educational institution lacking formal accreditation. However, further googling reveals that -

    “George Saliba earned two degrees from the American University of Beirut: a B.S. in mathematics, in 1963, and an M.A. in education, in 1965. He earned two more degrees from the University of California, Berkeley: an M.S. in Semitic languages, in 1970, and a Ph.D. in Islamic sciences, in 1974.

    After becoming a visiting professor at New York University and Columbia University, Saliba joined the faculty at Columbia in 1979, where he has become Professor of Arabic and Islamic Science. Saliba has been the recipient of numerous awards, fellowships and honors. He was elected Fellow of the National Humanities Center, 1997-1998, and he won the Kuwait Foundation for the Advancement of Science Prize for Arabic/Islamic Heritage – Astronomy, in 1996. ”

    Not having a transcript of Professor Salida’s presentation in hand, it may well be that the reporter who filed the newspaper report and/or the editor who reviewed and approved the submittal skewed the Professor’s presentation to reflect the prevalent Pakistani ‘weltanschauung’.

    Just a thought.

  • Flatlander

    I think historians agree that Islamic scholars were the most advanced on many topics a millenium ago. I don’t see any merit in diminishing those accomplishments today, any more than there is merit in exagerrating their current relevance. All peoples need to find examples of excellence and achievement in their histories. The article doesn’t surprise me, and I’ve heard exactly the same theme from North African taxi drivers in Europe more than once. I have also heard more than one Muslim political leader recently criticize their own culture for not putting enough emphasis on studying the sciences. My take on this is that there is a struggle going on within the culture between the religious schools and the modernists, who would rather emphasize scientific rather than religious education.

  • lex

    I’ve always found this to be a rather telling statistic:

    (The) total number of books translated into Arabic during the 1,000 years since the age of Caliph Al-Ma’moun [a ninth-century Arab ruler who was a patron of cultural interaction between Arab, Persian, and Greek scholars—WPR] to this day is less than those translated in Spain in one year.

  • Flatlander

    That certainly highlights the insularity of the Arabs, but of course the vast majority of Muslims are not Arabs.

    It would be interesting to add in the number of Farsi or Malay or Indonesian translations.

  • Zane

    Well, the Farsi market has taken a plummet in the past 25 years. Bahasa Malaya and its Indonesian equivalent used to be wide open for translation, but not so in recent years. Things are changing in those countries, thanks to Saudi oil money. However, since Malaysia was a former British colony, English is still commonly spoken and read. That fact alone has probably done more than anything to inhibit the Saudi inroads into Malaysia, although it remains an apartheid regime (they just do it nicely enough that you don’t notice it at first).

    However, if you’re looking for scientifically inclined Muslims, you’re more likely to find them in Malaysia and Indonesia than pretty much anywhere else.

  • Flatlander

    I tend to agree, Zane. And most of the scientists are more likely to learn English than to translate to local language anyway. But I’m not sure most of the translations in any language would be technical documents, for that reason.

    I am guessing more popular literature or political stuff gets translated.

    I do agree with Lex’s general point, but I don’t think the statistic is a balanced indicator of anything.

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