Comments on: Cool http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Fri, 03 Feb 2012 14:09:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: The Jungle N http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/comment-page-1/#comment-417299 The Jungle N Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:57:25 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/#comment-417299 P-61? Idiot. Definetely P-38. 61 would be way bigger, plus the cockpits in the wrong place, plus a bunch of other things. The engines, wings, etc. F or G model? ...Nah! Older. I say E, or even D. Flypast magazine says its one of the oldest P-38s still in existance. Even though my expertice is early jets, I still know alot about the ol' warbirds. Let me check some images........... Well, I've looked for 20 minutes, and it is an E or F. Not G, not D. F. So here's what I know: Plane: P-38 Manufacturer: Lockheed Aircraft Co. Year Built: 1941 Model: "F" Crashed: September 27th, 1942 Serial Numer: 41-7677 Pilot: 2nd Lt. Frederick Elliot Country: US Branch: USAAF Location: Wales Squadron: 49th Squadron Group: 14th Fighter Group So with that knowledge, it will hopefully be recovered in the spring on '08 as planned. <strong><i>March On! -The Jungle N</i><i><strong></strong></i></strong> P-61? Idiot. Definetely P-38. 61 would be way bigger, plus the cockpits in the wrong place, plus a bunch of other things. The engines, wings, etc. F or G model? …Nah! Older. I say E, or even D. Flypast magazine says its one of the oldest P-38s still in existance. Even though my expertice is early jets, I still know alot about the ol’ warbirds. Let me check some images……….. Well, I’ve looked for 20 minutes, and it is an E or F. Not G, not D. F. So here’s what I know:

Plane: P-38
Manufacturer: Lockheed Aircraft Co.
Year Built: 1941
Model: “F”
Crashed: September 27th, 1942
Serial Numer: 41-7677
Pilot: 2nd Lt. Frederick Elliot
Country: US
Branch: USAAF
Location: Wales
Squadron: 49th Squadron
Group: 14th Fighter Group

So with that knowledge, it will hopefully be recovered in the spring on ’08 as planned.

March On!
-The Jungle N

]]> By: GEO6 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/comment-page-1/#comment-417298 GEO6 Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:19:04 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/#comment-417298 I feel vindicated. Actually I was basing the model off of the type that went to the UK in those two fighter groups and subsequently to North Africa. I feel vindicated. Actually I was basing the model off of the type that went to the UK in those two fighter groups and subsequently to North Africa.

]]> By: Theodore http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/comment-page-1/#comment-417294 Theodore Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:26:34 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/#comment-417294 <a href="http://www.tighar.org/" rel="nofollow">TIGHAR</a>, the aviation archaeology group that surveyed the wreck, says the aircraft is "presumed to be" 41-7677. Baugher lists 41-7677 as a P-38F-1-LO. Presumably, then, this aircraft is slightly newer than the famous <a href="http://www.thelostsquadron.com/" rel="nofollow">Glacier Girl</a>, 41-7630, also a P-38F-1-LO. A neat find regardless - you just never know what you might stumble over out there. TIGHAR, the aviation archaeology group that surveyed the wreck, says the aircraft is “presumed to be” 41-7677. Baugher lists 41-7677 as a P-38F-1-LO. Presumably, then, this aircraft is slightly newer than the famous Glacier Girl, 41-7630, also a P-38F-1-LO. A neat find regardless – you just never know what you might stumble over out there.

]]> By: Justthisguy http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/comment-page-1/#comment-417293 Justthisguy Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:23:18 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/#comment-417293 Ah, Bill, it's an Army airplane, not a Navy one. The rules are different. Bob Ballard and his ilk have managed to get into Federal law the proposition that anything that ever belonged to the United States Navy, or any other navy, is forever Special and Sacred, and you may not salvage it from the bottom of the sea, even if it was deliberately tipped over the side as abandoned trash. (Going against about a thousand years' worth of Admiralty Law.) The USAF's position on wrecks has always been, "Hey, we abandoned it, good luck, knock yerself out, please send pix after you restore it!" I think the USN is a bit mental on this subject, not because of possible disturbance of war graves, but because of, e.g., an A-4 with a JG in it and a nuke under it, still missing somewhere on the sea bottom Ah, Bill, it’s an Army airplane, not a Navy one. The rules are different.

Bob Ballard and his ilk have managed to get into Federal law the proposition that anything that ever belonged to the United States Navy, or any other navy, is forever Special and Sacred, and you may not salvage it from the bottom of the sea, even if it was deliberately tipped over the side as abandoned trash.

(Going against about a thousand years’ worth of Admiralty Law.)

The USAF’s position on wrecks has always been, “Hey, we abandoned it, good luck, knock yerself out, please send pix after you restore it!”

I think the USN is a bit mental on this subject, not because of possible disturbance of war graves, but because of, e.g., an A-4 with a JG in it and a nuke under it, still missing somewhere on the sea bottom

]]> By: Justthisguy http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/comment-page-1/#comment-417292 Justthisguy Fri, 16 Nov 2007 01:09:20 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/#comment-417292 Oh, yeah, GEO, didn't the early Allisons have planetary reduction gears? Oh, yeah, GEO, didn’t the early Allisons have planetary reduction gears?

]]> By: Mike47 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/comment-page-1/#comment-417291 Mike47 Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:59:26 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/11/14/cool-2/#comment-417291 This P-38 was supposedly dated as 1941 manufacture. If so, it predates the F and G's and is likely a D or E model. Not only earliest Lightning in existence, but possibly the earliest combat aircraft of the 8th Air Force in existence. What a find! This P-38 was supposedly dated as 1941 manufacture. If so, it predates the F and G’s and is likely a D or E model. Not only earliest Lightning in existence, but possibly the earliest combat aircraft of the 8th Air Force in existence. What a find!

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