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		<title>By: Grumpy</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/01/07/that-whole-transition-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-420464</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris, I knew that you were not starting from scratch. a LONG time ago, my Father taught me how to spell the word &quot;assume.&quot;  In fact, when I was in basic training, it was something that actually taught. The word &quot;assume&quot; is a consequence of itself, &quot;ass-u-me.&quot; But what about the person who is reading this blog and thinking about the same idea on a smaller scale? Where does he/she start?

We need to find ways to adapt the military training to civilian application. The new veteran needs to find at least some sense of control in the decision making process over their own lives.  The next step can go in many different directions depending on the new veteran. Many corporations have their own courses on the use of their IT applications. You may want to set up an online syllabus to assist the vet on his hike through this jungle with its many paths, but also its traps. Try www.opencourseware.net as an idea. Talk with the corporations, you have a dual message for them. &quot;What do you really need/want from these vets?&quot; &quot;Remember one thing, the ONLY reason YOU are HERE is because THEY were THERE! Don&#039;t ever forget that!&quot; It may not be nice, but it is the unvarnished truth. The next time it may you, your family or friends to go.

There is one more ugly thing to consider, some can never even begin the process of &quot;transition&quot;. They are the &quot;walking dead of this war.&quot; They have paid their dues to this Nation. In all of your thinking and planning, REMEMBER this, if nothing else.

Kris, thank you, for what you are doing for today&#039;s warriors.

As always,
Grumpy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris, I knew that you were not starting from scratch. a LONG time ago, my Father taught me how to spell the word &#8220;assume.&#8221;  In fact, when I was in basic training, it was something that actually taught. The word &#8220;assume&#8221; is a consequence of itself, &#8220;ass-u-me.&#8221; But what about the person who is reading this blog and thinking about the same idea on a smaller scale? Where does he/she start?</p>
<p>We need to find ways to adapt the military training to civilian application. The new veteran needs to find at least some sense of control in the decision making process over their own lives.  The next step can go in many different directions depending on the new veteran. Many corporations have their own courses on the use of their IT applications. You may want to set up an online syllabus to assist the vet on his hike through this jungle with its many paths, but also its traps. Try <a href="http://www.opencourseware.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.opencourseware.net</a> as an idea. Talk with the corporations, you have a dual message for them. &#8220;What do you really need/want from these vets?&#8221; &#8220;Remember one thing, the ONLY reason YOU are HERE is because THEY were THERE! Don&#8217;t ever forget that!&#8221; It may not be nice, but it is the unvarnished truth. The next time it may you, your family or friends to go.</p>
<p>There is one more ugly thing to consider, some can never even begin the process of &#8220;transition&#8221;. They are the &#8220;walking dead of this war.&#8221; They have paid their dues to this Nation. In all of your thinking and planning, REMEMBER this, if nothing else.</p>
<p>Kris, thank you, for what you are doing for today&#8217;s warriors.</p>
<p>As always,<br />
Grumpy</p>
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		<title>By: Kris, in New England</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kris, in New England</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 01:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flatlander: in fact my employer has a very healthy recruiting stance when it comes to the military. If you follow the link provided by Lex, you&#039;ll get to my entry on the Flight Deck, which provides some history about my company&#039;s position - including being ranked as one of the top 50 companies in the country for military recruiting, per G.I. Jobs.

So we aren&#039;t starting from scratch, Grumpy. We are already in a position of strength and commitment - we want to take it to another level, with as MajMike suggested, a Veterans Advisory Board - doing outreach, recruiting and focus groups.  

You all blow me away - this is so much more than I could have ever hoped for. Thank you all for your time, your dedication - and most importantly your service to this country.

And thank you Lex - for giving some of your bandwidth over to this.  This is great stuff I&#039;m getting...

Keep it coming, please...all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flatlander: in fact my employer has a very healthy recruiting stance when it comes to the military. If you follow the link provided by Lex, you&#8217;ll get to my entry on the Flight Deck, which provides some history about my company&#8217;s position &#8211; including being ranked as one of the top 50 companies in the country for military recruiting, per G.I. Jobs.</p>
<p>So we aren&#8217;t starting from scratch, Grumpy. We are already in a position of strength and commitment &#8211; we want to take it to another level, with as MajMike suggested, a Veterans Advisory Board &#8211; doing outreach, recruiting and focus groups.  </p>
<p>You all blow me away &#8211; this is so much more than I could have ever hoped for. Thank you all for your time, your dedication &#8211; and most importantly your service to this country.</p>
<p>And thank you Lex &#8211; for giving some of your bandwidth over to this.  This is great stuff I&#8217;m getting&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep it coming, please&#8230;all.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpy</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/01/07/that-whole-transition-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-420463</link>
		<dc:creator>Grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris,  First, let me say this, This is a GREAT first step in a long journey for everybody. I don&#039;t want this to be overshadowed, in fact, I want to build upon it. First, realize this will be a difficult trip, but will actually show this Nation, the corporations&#039; desire to help our military and our veterans. In a way, they will be going to war. This will most probably be a very long war, 10,000 years. There are many many issues which we as a Nation must face, this is just one. But if you do it right, you can establish a model which can be followed. The idea of a corporate council focused on military, active duty, reserve, National Guard and with this, their families. This would cover the real problems  of deployment, returning discharged military, both officer and enlisted. Especially for the enlisted people and NCO&#039;s, help them to get educational credit for their training. Then explore the option of additional education.

Now to continue, as I have already discussed, you have a council within the corporation for military affairs. Now, we&#039;ll take it up one notch. We will create a new level, a &quot;Council of Councils&quot; or an intercorporate council on military affairs. This council would take all of the ideas and check them out. As we compare them with others, we find a good idea, there are many of them out there.

Now, how do we communicate all of this to the returning military people? They have about a ton of baggage to decide on how to deal with it, none of it, easy. There will be a tipping point, where the decompression is complete and it is time to move on. The corporations all create their own military council websites showing their services. Then, you create an intercoporate council website, which is actually a portal to all of the corporate websites. This becomes the launching pad for these military people to a whole new world.

Name: &quot;Help us, to help you, to Help This Great Nation&quot;

As always
Grumpy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris,  First, let me say this, This is a GREAT first step in a long journey for everybody. I don&#8217;t want this to be overshadowed, in fact, I want to build upon it. First, realize this will be a difficult trip, but will actually show this Nation, the corporations&#8217; desire to help our military and our veterans. In a way, they will be going to war. This will most probably be a very long war, 10,000 years. There are many many issues which we as a Nation must face, this is just one. But if you do it right, you can establish a model which can be followed. The idea of a corporate council focused on military, active duty, reserve, National Guard and with this, their families. This would cover the real problems  of deployment, returning discharged military, both officer and enlisted. Especially for the enlisted people and NCO&#8217;s, help them to get educational credit for their training. Then explore the option of additional education.</p>
<p>Now to continue, as I have already discussed, you have a council within the corporation for military affairs. Now, we&#8217;ll take it up one notch. We will create a new level, a &#8220;Council of Councils&#8221; or an intercorporate council on military affairs. This council would take all of the ideas and check them out. As we compare them with others, we find a good idea, there are many of them out there.</p>
<p>Now, how do we communicate all of this to the returning military people? They have about a ton of baggage to decide on how to deal with it, none of it, easy. There will be a tipping point, where the decompression is complete and it is time to move on. The corporations all create their own military council websites showing their services. Then, you create an intercoporate council website, which is actually a portal to all of the corporate websites. This becomes the launching pad for these military people to a whole new world.</p>
<p>Name: &#8220;Help us, to help you, to Help This Great Nation&#8221;</p>
<p>As always<br />
Grumpy</p>
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		<title>By: blackeagle603</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackeagle603</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever the field, hope for an entry point of contact with prior service people.

When I transitioned I thank God my final and deciding interview was was with a retired Marine (mustang) Major.  He could read between the lines of my military resume. Even though my resume didn&#039;t relate directly to the open position, he could extrapolate to civilian application.   He was able to draw parallels between experience in flex deck op tempo and 24/7 manufacturing environment. 

That and he had the huevos to make a command decision and risk his rep for me based on his estimation/experience evaluating character and talent of an enlisted guy. Of course I didn&#039;t know it was a risk for him at the time. Several years later he invited me to lunch and told his side of it and to thanke me for vindicating his decision.  

If I&#039;d only known the risk he took I&#039;d have done a lot less surfing on lunch breaks... LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the field, hope for an entry point of contact with prior service people.</p>
<p>When I transitioned I thank God my final and deciding interview was was with a retired Marine (mustang) Major.  He could read between the lines of my military resume. Even though my resume didn&#8217;t relate directly to the open position, he could extrapolate to civilian application.   He was able to draw parallels between experience in flex deck op tempo and 24/7 manufacturing environment. </p>
<p>That and he had the huevos to make a command decision and risk his rep for me based on his estimation/experience evaluating character and talent of an enlisted guy. Of course I didn&#8217;t know it was a risk for him at the time. Several years later he invited me to lunch and told his side of it and to thanke me for vindicating his decision.  </p>
<p>If I&#8217;d only known the risk he took I&#8217;d have done a lot less surfing on lunch breaks&#8230; LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Flatlander</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/01/07/that-whole-transition-thing/comment-page-1/#comment-420445</link>
		<dc:creator>Flatlander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kris - I would suggest you benchmark some large corporations who are already hiring scads of military people to see how they recruit/indoctrinate former military people.  

Home Depot has made a big deal for example in targeting military people in the last couple of years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kris &#8211; I would suggest you benchmark some large corporations who are already hiring scads of military people to see how they recruit/indoctrinate former military people.  </p>
<p>Home Depot has made a big deal for example in targeting military people in the last couple of years.</p>
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		<title>By: Buck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; I made the mil-civilian transition successfully, but that&#039;s a subjective opinion, ain&#039;t it?  ;)

I&#039;m also in a rather different boat in that I never applied for a single civilian job.  I was recruited by my former USAF boss for my first post-USAF job.   I wrote that first resumé the night my former boss called and asked me to fly to Detroit and interview.  It certainly helped that the company I hired on with was &quot;military friendly.&quot;  So much so, in fact, that the employees in the Detroit facility where I first went to work took to calling it &quot;AFCC North&quot; (Air Force Communications Command) because of all the re-treads working there, including one USAF general officer and a &lt;b&gt;boat-load&lt;/b&gt; of Chiefs.  This phenomenon was duly (and favorably) noted during my interview process, both by me and by the HR folks...who made a point of introducing me to former USAF colleagues.

Another commenter mentioned the value of networking, and I&#039;ll second that thought.  Each and every civilian position I held after my first (entry-level) position came as a result of being &quot;drafted&quot; by senior managers who were aware of my track record...either when I was working directly &lt;i&gt;for&lt;/i&gt; them or with them on a given initiative.  You might also call that &quot;luck,&quot; which shouldn&#039;t be discounted, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <i>think</i> I made the mil-civilian transition successfully, but that&#8217;s a subjective opinion, ain&#8217;t it?  <img src='http://www.neptunuslex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also in a rather different boat in that I never applied for a single civilian job.  I was recruited by my former USAF boss for my first post-USAF job.   I wrote that first resumé the night my former boss called and asked me to fly to Detroit and interview.  It certainly helped that the company I hired on with was &#8220;military friendly.&#8221;  So much so, in fact, that the employees in the Detroit facility where I first went to work took to calling it &#8220;AFCC North&#8221; (Air Force Communications Command) because of all the re-treads working there, including one USAF general officer and a <b>boat-load</b> of Chiefs.  This phenomenon was duly (and favorably) noted during my interview process, both by me and by the HR folks&#8230;who made a point of introducing me to former USAF colleagues.</p>
<p>Another commenter mentioned the value of networking, and I&#8217;ll second that thought.  Each and every civilian position I held after my first (entry-level) position came as a result of being &#8220;drafted&#8221; by senior managers who were aware of my track record&#8230;either when I was working directly <i>for</i> them or with them on a given initiative.  You might also call that &#8220;luck,&#8221; which shouldn&#8217;t be discounted, either.</p>
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