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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/02/11/long-war-metaphor/comment-page-1/#comment-422882</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 22:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Badbob:  The post above closed with the words &quot;novus ordo seclorum&quot;.  

I don&#039;t make this stuff up.  

This phrase has been on the money in your wallet all your life, and you never noticed it?  (It  is on the Great Seal of the USA.)  It means a new order for the ages.  The founders of the USA claimed to be founding a new order of politics, a new kind of society.   They were right.  

Neptunus Lex is saying that we are entering a new age of naval power.   I agree.  I just say, the new age is not an age without a map.  We have been here before.  The past has lessons.

As to acquistions and lead time, you are right, but that is a condition to be lived with, not a problem with a solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Badbob:  The post above closed with the words &#8220;novus ordo seclorum&#8221;.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t make this stuff up.  </p>
<p>This phrase has been on the money in your wallet all your life, and you never noticed it?  (It  is on the Great Seal of the USA.)  It means a new order for the ages.  The founders of the USA claimed to be founding a new order of politics, a new kind of society.   They were right.  </p>
<p>Neptunus Lex is saying that we are entering a new age of naval power.   I agree.  I just say, the new age is not an age without a map.  We have been here before.  The past has lessons.</p>
<p>As to acquistions and lead time, you are right, but that is a condition to be lived with, not a problem with a solution.</p>
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		<title>By: badbob</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/02/11/long-war-metaphor/comment-page-1/#comment-422881</link>
		<dc:creator>badbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marianne,

re- &quot; can that “wee little boat,” with its lovely, lethal drone, be carried aboard one of our great big broad-shouldered carriers?&quot;

Sure it can my Lady. Plenty of room in the hangar bays for 3-4 of &#039;em. Davit &#039;em right off&#039;n the elevators.  Lets get some DARPA $$ and give it a try!

Might as well. Maybe that boat can do ASW, too.  Seeing how our own &quot;Enterprise&quot; (eyebrows up) got rid of all the Captains Gigs..Shhhhh- don&#039;t tell....we only got 65 aircraft aboard nowadays so there&#039;d be plenty o&#039;room.

I ain&#039;t being cynical about your question at all Marianne,  just the whole dam enterprise I&#039;ve been around all my adult life. I ask-would you rather have that boat in the hangar or another 20-30 jets in there?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marianne,</p>
<p>re- &#8221; can that “wee little boat,” with its lovely, lethal drone, be carried aboard one of our great big broad-shouldered carriers?&#8221;</p>
<p>Sure it can my Lady. Plenty of room in the hangar bays for 3-4 of &#8216;em. Davit &#8216;em right off&#8217;n the elevators.  Lets get some DARPA $$ and give it a try!</p>
<p>Might as well. Maybe that boat can do ASW, too.  Seeing how our own &#8220;Enterprise&#8221; (eyebrows up) got rid of all the Captains Gigs..Shhhhh- don&#8217;t tell&#8230;.we only got 65 aircraft aboard nowadays so there&#8217;d be plenty o&#8217;room.</p>
<p>I ain&#8217;t being cynical about your question at all Marianne,  just the whole dam enterprise I&#8217;ve been around all my adult life. I ask-would you rather have that boat in the hangar or another 20-30 jets in there?</p>
<p>b2</p>
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		<title>By: badbob</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/02/11/long-war-metaphor/comment-page-1/#comment-422880</link>
		<dc:creator>badbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex Green,

I ain&#039;t shore what a &quot;nervous order&quot; is..must be Greek..or Latin. Snake could tell me I reckon.

As the &quot;pendulum swings&quot;.    That&#039;s it!

All I would add is that it swings faster today than ever, yet acquisition of ships or aircraft require decades of lead time...What we have today are warrior-businessmen (and women o&#039;course).

Hence,  my nervous contenance.

b2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex Green,</p>
<p>I ain&#8217;t shore what a &#8220;nervous order&#8221; is..must be Greek..or Latin. Snake could tell me I reckon.</p>
<p>As the &#8220;pendulum swings&#8221;.    That&#8217;s it!</p>
<p>All I would add is that it swings faster today than ever, yet acquisition of ships or aircraft require decades of lead time&#8230;What we have today are warrior-businessmen (and women o&#8217;course).</p>
<p>Hence,  my nervous contenance.</p>
<p>b2</p>
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		<title>By: Lexington Green</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/02/11/long-war-metaphor/comment-page-1/#comment-422890</link>
		<dc:creator>Lexington Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly a &quot;novus ordo&quot;?  Or a return to the old order?  Anglo-American naval dominance has been the defining and enabling factor for the modern world.   Whenever a peer-competitor tried to challenge it, that competitor went down to defeat.  Bourbon-Revolutionary-Napoleonic France, the Second and Third Reichs, Imperial Japan, Soviet Russia.  All tried to challenge the Anglosphere on the seas.  

Currently we are in an inter-bellum, with no true peer competitor on the horizon, though China may one day try to be.  

So, we are in a kind of era well-known to our British and American Naval ancestors.  It is an era of small wars on the periphery, police actions, anti-piracy operations, anti-smuggling operations, anti-slave trade patrols, that sort of thing.  There is a book on my shelf listing 180 landings of the US Marines.  They were conveyed to their landing sites by the Navy, not involving major combat between ships.  There are many books about the &quot;small&quot; wars of the Victorian era.  Those troops, British but often also Indian, were conveyed to their zones of operation by the Royal Navy.  Same thing.

The pendulum swings.   The needs of the day are met by the warriors of the day, and sometimes they are even given (some of) the tools needed to do those missions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly a &#8220;novus ordo&#8221;?  Or a return to the old order?  Anglo-American naval dominance has been the defining and enabling factor for the modern world.   Whenever a peer-competitor tried to challenge it, that competitor went down to defeat.  Bourbon-Revolutionary-Napoleonic France, the Second and Third Reichs, Imperial Japan, Soviet Russia.  All tried to challenge the Anglosphere on the seas.  </p>
<p>Currently we are in an inter-bellum, with no true peer competitor on the horizon, though China may one day try to be.  </p>
<p>So, we are in a kind of era well-known to our British and American Naval ancestors.  It is an era of small wars on the periphery, police actions, anti-piracy operations, anti-smuggling operations, anti-slave trade patrols, that sort of thing.  There is a book on my shelf listing 180 landings of the US Marines.  They were conveyed to their landing sites by the Navy, not involving major combat between ships.  There are many books about the &#8220;small&#8221; wars of the Victorian era.  Those troops, British but often also Indian, were conveyed to their zones of operation by the Royal Navy.  Same thing.</p>
<p>The pendulum swings.   The needs of the day are met by the warriors of the day, and sometimes they are even given (some of) the tools needed to do those missions.</p>
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		<title>By: Snake Eater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snake Eater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 22:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B2, From your  mouth to  Gods ear....young Grass-Hopper...
 Re the &quot; Sand Pebbles&quot;... read the book ( a  great  tale  of the  inter-war Navy )  and saw the movie many times...Steve McQueen at his best  along with the then  foxy ice queen... Candice Bergen... of course this was  long before  ole  frosty cheeks Candice  morphed into that big haired, overwrought, bra burning harpie...Muprhy Brown.    Best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B2, From your  mouth to  Gods ear&#8230;.young Grass-Hopper&#8230;<br />
 Re the &#8221; Sand Pebbles&#8221;&#8230; read the book ( a  great  tale  of the  inter-war Navy )  and saw the movie many times&#8230;Steve McQueen at his best  along with the then  foxy ice queen&#8230; Candice Bergen&#8230; of course this was  long before  ole  frosty cheeks Candice  morphed into that big haired, overwrought, bra burning harpie&#8230;Muprhy Brown.    Best</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marianne,  that is the Mk V Special Operations Craft, one of the larger boats used by SWCCs, specifically in coastal areas.  Waterjets and a shallow draft allow for running in narrows.

The range is about 500 nm.  Delivery is usually via two USAF C5 planes, or aboard well deck-equipped ships or other ships with the appropriate cranes and space availability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marianne,  that is the Mk V Special Operations Craft, one of the larger boats used by SWCCs, specifically in coastal areas.  Waterjets and a shallow draft allow for running in narrows.</p>
<p>The range is about 500 nm.  Delivery is usually via two USAF C5 planes, or aboard well deck-equipped ships or other ships with the appropriate cranes and space availability.</p>
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