Credo
"Sign on, young man, and sail with me. The stature of our homeland is no more than the measure of ourselves. Our job is to keep her free. Our will is to keep the torch of freedom burning for all. To this solemn purpose we call on the young, the brave, the strong, and the free. Heed my call, Come to the sea. Come Sail with me." -- John Paul Jones
"Pardon him, Theodotus; he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature" --George Bernard Shaw, "Caesar and Cleopatra"
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music."--Friedrich Nietzsche
"A kind Providence has placed in our breasts a hatred of the unjust and cruel, in order that we may preserve ourselves from cruelty and injustice. They who bear cruelty, are accomplices in it. The pretended gentleness which excludes that charitable rancour, produces an indifference which is half an approbation. They never will love where they ought to love, who do not hate where they ought to hate."--Edmund Burke
“You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”--General Sir Charles Napier
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"Blogito Ergo Sum" -- Neptunus Lex
For the love of all that is holy, what is that (no offense, ladies) FEMALE (in a skirt, no less) doing mashing those poopies?!? I’m sure the young woman is a cast-iron b- of a DI, but really, it just doesn’t seem to me that a WM screaming in your face would elicit the same terror (I mean “discipline”) that a big, ugly, smelly, spitting jarhead gunnery sergeant would (not that she couldn’t be all of those, I’m just saying…). About the only thing we OCS guys can boast of to our Academy and NROTC counterparts was our 16 weeks of hardship at the hands of sadists (NROTC ENS: blah, blah, blah, 90-day wonder. ME: Yeah, but we had DI’s, wuss.) What’s next, no more yelling “KILL!!!” before mealtime prayer?
It’s at least nice to see that they had the common decency to build a sand pit in Newport, but running shoes with khakis??? Just sad.
I remember the then, dont seem to “feel the same love” in the now.
First the tailhook goes away, now its a skirt thing…
38-85
Gasp. Last thing I expected when I clicked it on.
That’s Gunny Hill! Kicked my A$$ and taught me Judo too.
And that “Polish” BN class officer (or was he an ECMO?)
You’re pretty close Lex..nah..nah nana..nah! No cigar.
Ever see those backoff bumper stickers? Seriously, were did you get this? On da high side please.
b2
Why does consolidation of bases seem to require that the base with the better year-round weather has to consolidate to a location that has truly awful weather for months on end? For example: San Diego Naval Recruit Training Center was consolidated (or moved in toto) to Great Lakes. Now a Florida operation is moving to Rhode Island? What gives? Do we need pilots who know a lot about flying in snow?
So, are they using Quonset? Otherwise, I’m confused.
Buncha misogynists ya gots here, Lex.
I suspect, regardless of how easy she is on the eyes, that DI is capable of making a package shrivel like cellophane in an oven.
Hey, you in the front with the glasses! Where’s your #&^%$#!$%! – ing cover???
Having done my share of rolling around in the goose shit on Nimitz Field in sub-freezing temperatures (fresh goose shit, ’cause those geese had no migratory instinct that I could tell), let’s just say that Newport offers the creative DI plenty of opportunities for thoroughly creative disciplinary methods.
To be opposed to a principle does not mean that one is opposed to the person.
I expect that all of the properly re-educated reconstructionists will howl, but I find the premise that something as valuable as the women of our society can be so casually misused and disrespected to be disgraceful.
What a shame.
Dang. Gunnys have changed. And for the better, from a purely superficial POV.
I’m jes a lil bit surprised no one’s used the BAM term. Maybe it’s passé . Or maybe it’s something else altogether.
Unnecessary distraction.
Somehow I don’t see her singing: “Casey Jones is a son of a bitch…” when giving extra encouragement to a candidate that needs it.
Joan,
The young lady DI has the respect of the class because of institutional authority, UCMJ, fear of failure at the stroke of a pen, etc. etc. The male DI has the respect of the class because they honestly believe he can rip their heads off and $#!7 down their throats. Subtle difference but a definite distinction.
GEO6
Well, someone in the chain of command hasn’t been thinking ahead, since only five of the cadets/candidates pictured are wearing their BCG’s.
Well, I got stuck off line for the morning, but it seems to me that the Gunny has what it takes to run my old self ragged, and I’ve no doubt she can do the same for the fellas pictured.
Just can’t believe I’m seeing people PT’d in khakis, running shoes and Eisenhower jackets. Several of them wearing birth control glasses. Doesn’t seem very “officer and a gentleman” – ish.
I can only hope she’s wearing perfume.
OK- now that I’m over the shock of seeing my actual-real AOCS Gunny in the “that” link from circa 1975, I can appreciate this modern DI. Well formed and nice jawline. I’ll bet Snake Eater would run away from her!
Sure , I woulda let her PT me and even order up a self-choke for me if she wanted! Don’t think this modern DI would have joined our class in the head at 0445 for the 6 minutes alotted for the shoot, shower and shave..D’Ya think? Remember, after commissioning they had to salute ya to get their silver dollar!
b2
B 2, She looks just like a Donut Dolly I knew in the way back..but a lot more Butch…that picture is an absolute bogus photo-op… lame in so many ways…see comment # 15 above for specifics. Best
I think RTC San Diego fell to RTC Great Lakes because Great Lakes was the oldest RTC at the time. Naval Tradition and all that you know.
Obviously all you manly men have forgotten what your wives/girlfriends were like when the hormones were roaring. One wrong word, a suspect look on a face, and there won’t even be a hole to do it in. I’ll take the hairy, smelly, foul mouthed male DI any day.
Quite a change from back in the day (1978 to be precise). Exact same background, down to the little gazebo on the ‘beach’. But the man in charge was BMCS Stanley, who in PT gear looked like a 55 gallon drum standing on 2 pieces of 1 inch pipe. He was undoubtedly the brother of the big, ugly, smelly, spitting jarhead gunnery sergeant.
Okay – who was in 14-76? I started in 13-76 with Gunny Hill and ended up in 15-76 with Gunny Wittstruck ( who recently passed away).
Warrior, I have two scanned images of class 13-76. Your original class photo on commissioning day and then your reunion taken on 8/17/2001 inside the church. Contact me if you want me to E-mail you at: 1stsgtcrouch@gmail.com
Steevil,
Quonset is long gone.
Snake,
Donut Dolly- gee- are we talking WWII here ol’feller?
I agree wid ya’s re…. well….. state of the mil “today” and them geeky birth control glasses. But who cares what us Dinos think. Hell, those kind of glasses are in fashion! I definetly don’t see any SEAL candidates!
Basically, all I see in that pic are Blackshoes/Bubbleheads with 50lb heads in training! You know the type- shipdrivers with binoculors hanging around the neck.
Sorta like Army tankers…OOps sorry. Nuyk.
b2
BTW Snake, once you got outta class at AOCS in the olden days, a favorite nasty trick of the lurking DI was to PT- punish you until you became a quivering sweating jellyfish and wreck your uniforms so you had to go the backup ghostgear…but I agree with you and Lex. Those sneakers with the khakis! Geek written all over it. Must be a new thing to shame ‘em…It can’t be an approved uniform..hell, even the USAF wouldn’t authorize sneakers with a bluesuit.
b2
One should weep at this development.
I’m curious doe people still do boxing at Schools Command anymore or has that died too?
As a recent OCS graduate (very intimately familiar with the sandpit pictured), I can assure anyone interested that the DI pictured is indeed just as capable of causing terror as any male DI I ever encountered or heard of. I actually remember that particular “beating” although my class was a few weeks ahead of hers in the pipeline–her class had just finished their 4th week room/locker/personnel inspection (hence her uniform–they’re usually in cammies) and she was not happy with the result…they paid in blood sweat and tears for the rest of the week.
They’re in tennis shoes (affectionately referred to as “go-fasters” at OCS) because most of them had to undergo the re-inspect a couple of days later and she was humane enough to not have them completely ruin their shoes in the interim, as they still had to completely re-do their lockers and clean the sand and goose sh*t off of those clothes you see in the picture. (Incidentally, if you’ve never been around 40-50 college graduates on the verge of absolute mental collapse from tasks as ridiculous as folding their skivvy shorts and other assorted items into perfect 4×4 squares, I can tell you it is quite a sight to behold.)
But yeah, this gunny is not to be messed with as she will thrash you thoroughly–it has nothing to do with “institutional authority” or the UCMJ. She could rip your head off and eat it and yes, smell good while doing it.
No boxing at OCS, unfortunately. “Nasty Disgusting Candidates” are given some quite creative “Remedial Physical Training,” however.
Batt III rocks.
Zane, you are so right…Ohhh, memories of that field during NSI in 92. Never before or since have I seen goose shit the size of little poodles. 8 count body builders really got it all over the uniform. we were a sight in the mess hall after our morning refreshers. The lawyers and nurses who worked out at around 10 am on little blue mats really thought we were prisoners…or so we may have led them to believe. Although my Gunny (Nelson) didn’t look like the one pictured above, I learned not to underestimate any Gunny. He was 40 and skinny as a rail but would run circles around us, especially during Fartleks. Later found out that he ran 24 hour and super marathons. Although she’s likely as tough as any male Gunny, the lesson I learned in SERE where we had 2 female “instructors” is that it’s easier on the eyes and system to get your butt kicked by a good looking girl than by “Butch”.
Claudio
PS. The rumor then was that the house on the island on the other side of the bridge was owned by Tom Selleck? Anyone know? 4th of July parade of Sails was the highlight of 2 miserable months.
I guess I’m the only guy who noticed what was under the DI’s shirt………………
Am I the only guy who imagined what was under the DI’s skirt?
Thanks for the explanation #27…The skirt NOW makes sense.
You are done when she says you are done-that probably applies to several different activities.
Still think doing it in 95 degree heat in P-Cola is a better thing though.
Started OCS atNewport on 5 January, 1955. We had only CPOs and no marines as our “guidance counselors.” Will never forget the first time our Chief inspected the rooms. Half the matresses and bedding ended up outside in the snow. Guess he had been to DI school.
Marching in the snow and sleet of Newport was……….shall we say, a bracing experience. Standing in line at O-Dark Thirty to get into the chow hall was an endurance test. Never actually got frostbite, but it seemed close a couple of times.
Life was simple then. The Navy had just accepted the job of flying the DEW Line. (Remember the Super Connies with the radomes?) They needed 2000 new aviators in a hurry. We were marched into a drill hall where we were informed that we would all (700) take the flight physical and those who passed would go to flight training after commissioning. The rest is, as they say, history.
So now, lo these 53 years later, Newport OCS will once again be supplying officer students to Pensacola.
My guess is that the guy in front nearest the DI gets the most goose $#!% on his uniform throughout the training period, regardless of how many coconuts she’s carrying around under her medals.
Is it me or is that DI built like a brick sh!t house? I couldn’t help but notice, I’m sure I’m not the only one.
I went through AOCS in class 18-73, May-Aug ’73 under the watchful eye of GySgt “Mad Dog” Delaney. The MAN was never out of uniform. We’d go on 3 mile modivational runs. He ran in uniform, in spit shined shoes, carrying his swagger stick!
I returned to NASC in 1977, first teaching survival swimming and then to be OIC of Batt II, ’78-’80. What a great time I had. It is a sad day indeed.
I am glad they moved OCS to R.I. this way I dont ever, never have to see this with my own eyes…
B2, There were indeed Donut Dollies in RVN…( suggest Googling “Donut Dollies” ) they were part of the American Red Cross… college girls mostly… did great work…and truth be told…were the sweetest round-eyes I ever did see . Best
Lex, you know that Bugs, from back in the day, was commissioned at OCS? He was subs as enlisted, was going subs as an O, when the A-7s came on line. Like Jimmy-J above, they lined up all the candidates for the aviation exams, and Bugs’ whole life changed for the better.
b2, speaking as pencil-necked geek, I resemble your remarks. My entire class was NUC-POC or women, not a one of them was going to be allowed to DOR or fail (what the women got away with was obscene–the men got thrown out for it, the women got commissioned–kinda colored my whole outlook ever since). Academically, I’ve never felt so stupid in my life as I did surrounded by that bunch.
I had to google that pic with the Gunny. I am pretty sure that is Gunny Hill in it although it’s a scanned copy no doubt. So small an AOCS class it looks like an AVROC class.
The guy on this site (circa 2006) is in that 14-76 pic . He’s has had an interesting life. Plenty of different venues fer sure. I am sure he sold all them restaurants at a profit (being Gunny Hill trained and all). Now he knocks folks out for a living:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.creativesimulations.com/AOCS%2520Photo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.creativesimulations.com/About%2520Me.htm&h=928&w=1210&sz=537&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=WK5I0TZSNs4R4M:&tbnh=115&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Daocs%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
Face seems familiar to me but I don’t remember him.
b2
Zane- no offense!
It’s just them glasses and that Amazon over the top of them buggers….LOL.
b2
Badbob,
It sucks to be old – the RAM really starts to play tricks with the CPU. I stated in my previous post that I started in 13-76 with Gunny Hill. I’m pretty sure it was really 14-76. I got bumped back a class for not being able to do the sidestroke properly in the swim test. And I know I graduated with 15-76.
Guess I better look closer at that picture…
i really want to know what the instructure’s name was (the female) because i actually was there for 2 weeks but did not get to meet her.