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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: Consul-At-Arms</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/03/18/that-speech/comment-page-2/#comment-425723</link>
		<dc:creator>Consul-At-Arms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve quoted you and linked to you here:  http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2008/03/re-that-speech.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve quoted you and linked to you here:  <a href="http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2008/03/re-that-speech.html" rel="nofollow">http://consul-at-arms.blogspot.com/2008/03/re-that-speech.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 22:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FbL, I followed your link and listened to the clip from Obama. I might be missing something but I didn&#039;t hear anything really bad in there. Yes, he said &quot;typical white person&quot; but then went on to give it a context that didn&#039;t feel all that much off the mark to me. 

If your point is that if anyone had made reference to the &quot;typical [fill in any race] person&quot; in any context, &lt;strike&gt;some&lt;/strike&gt; many would have cried foul, you may well be right. But given his context, what he said, I didn&#039;t see anything so bad about it. It seems to me that a lot of pepole cry foul at a lot of things these days and that might well be part of the current problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FbL, I followed your link and listened to the clip from Obama. I might be missing something but I didn&#8217;t hear anything really bad in there. Yes, he said &#8220;typical white person&#8221; but then went on to give it a context that didn&#8217;t feel all that much off the mark to me. </p>
<p>If your point is that if anyone had made reference to the &#8220;typical [fill in any race] person&#8221; in any context, <strike>some</strike> many would have cried foul, you may well be right. But given his context, what he said, I didn&#8217;t see anything so bad about it. It seems to me that a lot of pepole cry foul at a lot of things these days and that might well be part of the current problem.</p>
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		<title>By: ColoComment</title>
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		<dc:creator>ColoComment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 19:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: further on race, racism, victimhood, slavery, etc., I highly recommend Thomas Sowell&#039;s &quot;Black Rednecks and White Liberals.&quot; He&#039;s got a great essay in there on the history of slavery &amp; it&#039;ll give you some fresh food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: further on race, racism, victimhood, slavery, etc., I highly recommend Thomas Sowell&#8217;s &#8220;Black Rednecks and White Liberals.&#8221; He&#8217;s got a great essay in there on the history of slavery &amp; it&#8217;ll give you some fresh food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: badbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>badbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Oink-Oink&quot; and loving it with &quot;blue paint&quot; all over my yap! Not much of a drinker though Skip because  I actually like reality! It&#039;s only that chip bothers me &#039;bout you is all...

Me,  I thought it was all funny! Particularly after I read that &quot;Hummer fellers&quot; (no names)  stuff at military.com and followed him home to his &quot;nest&quot;.  Where I found you of course- butt sharking-big time!

Now to the rest of this August group (you too Nose!) I bid this whole subject adieu (that&#039;s French!). Pile on as you may- I can bear the weight. And if&#039;n I&#039;ve hurt your feelings please accept my heartfelt apology and trust me- you&#039;ll get over it! Nyuk!

Off to watch UCONN crush USD!

b2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oink-Oink&#8221; and loving it with &#8220;blue paint&#8221; all over my yap! Not much of a drinker though Skip because  I actually like reality! It&#8217;s only that chip bothers me &#8217;bout you is all&#8230;</p>
<p>Me,  I thought it was all funny! Particularly after I read that &#8220;Hummer fellers&#8221; (no names)  stuff at military.com and followed him home to his &#8220;nest&#8221;.  Where I found you of course- butt sharking-big time!</p>
<p>Now to the rest of this August group (you too Nose!) I bid this whole subject adieu (that&#8217;s French!). Pile on as you may- I can bear the weight. And if&#8217;n I&#8217;ve hurt your feelings please accept my heartfelt apology and trust me- you&#8217;ll get over it! Nyuk!</p>
<p>Off to watch UCONN crush USD!</p>
<p>b2</p>
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		<title>By: Skippy-san</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skippy-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OP

See what I mean? Just minding my own buisness and WHAM. I knew that vacuum cleaner reference was going to go no where good.

B2,
The whole &quot;wrestling with a pig&quot; thing comes to mind.
I like women way too much to do what you suggest. Besides, I&#039;m not sure what that all has to do with this particular set of arguments to tell you the truth ( I especially don&#039;t understand where the reference to Huber came from-shall I send you a copy of his book as an Easter present? :-)  ).

I&#039;m evolving-I an always evolving.  There&#039;s a lot more to me than just that whole divorce thing. A lot more.  

My advice? Drink heavily. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OP</p>
<p>See what I mean? Just minding my own buisness and WHAM. I knew that vacuum cleaner reference was going to go no where good.</p>
<p>B2,<br />
The whole &#8220;wrestling with a pig&#8221; thing comes to mind.<br />
I like women way too much to do what you suggest. Besides, I&#8217;m not sure what that all has to do with this particular set of arguments to tell you the truth ( I especially don&#8217;t understand where the reference to Huber came from-shall I send you a copy of his book as an Easter present? <img src='http://www.neptunuslex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   ).</p>
<p>I&#8217;m evolving-I an always evolving.  There&#8217;s a lot more to me than just that whole divorce thing. A lot more.  </p>
<p>My advice? Drink heavily. <img src='http://www.neptunuslex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Nose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex, that smells a little  &lt;em&gt; Post hoc ergo propter hoc&lt;/em&gt;ish to me.  Of course slavery is one of our two original sins, and one for which I am ashamed.  

The chain of causality has many links, and slavery/oppression links are certainly a huge part of the chain.  But other minority groups (the Chinese spring to mind) have overcome their original oppression and, in general, grasped their share of the American Dream.  They emphasize family, hard work, and education, and it seems to work.

But for the sake of argument, I&#039;ll stipulate that the cause of problems is a deep history of oppression (which I agree is partly true).   I still think the answer to my question is the latter.

Thanks for letting me voice my opinion, no matter how wrong or shrill I am.  I appreciate a forum where educated people (and I) come together and have serious discussions about prickly subjects and (usually) maintain a civil tongue.

Nose</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex, that smells a little  <em> Post hoc ergo propter hoc</em>ish to me.  Of course slavery is one of our two original sins, and one for which I am ashamed.  </p>
<p>The chain of causality has many links, and slavery/oppression links are certainly a huge part of the chain.  But other minority groups (the Chinese spring to mind) have overcome their original oppression and, in general, grasped their share of the American Dream.  They emphasize family, hard work, and education, and it seems to work.</p>
<p>But for the sake of argument, I&#8217;ll stipulate that the cause of problems is a deep history of oppression (which I agree is partly true).   I still think the answer to my question is the latter.</p>
<p>Thanks for letting me voice my opinion, no matter how wrong or shrill I am.  I appreciate a forum where educated people (and I) come together and have serious discussions about prickly subjects and (usually) maintain a civil tongue.</p>
<p>Nose</p>
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