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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: Zane</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/07/29/picking-up-the-tab/comment-page-1/#comment-233650</link>
		<dc:creator>Zane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno.  I was quizzed last week while quaffing a Viennese pils on the sidewalk of a cafe once owned by Hegel (0r so the current owner, looking more Turkish than Austrian, claimed) by an inebriated young lady who asked me, &quot;Obama or McCain?&quot;  I assume McCain, because she never quite got the name out, despite the repeated encouragements of her friend (who obviously wanted to be more than her friend).  She was all for Obama, never had a clue why (me nor her).  The European press is licking Obama&#039;s shoes, not surprising to see the young lady&#039;s preference in that environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno.  I was quizzed last week while quaffing a Viennese pils on the sidewalk of a cafe once owned by Hegel (0r so the current owner, looking more Turkish than Austrian, claimed) by an inebriated young lady who asked me, &#8220;Obama or McCain?&#8221;  I assume McCain, because she never quite got the name out, despite the repeated encouragements of her friend (who obviously wanted to be more than her friend).  She was all for Obama, never had a clue why (me nor her).  The European press is licking Obama&#8217;s shoes, not surprising to see the young lady&#8217;s preference in that environment.</p>
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		<title>By: hajo-hi</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/07/29/picking-up-the-tab/comment-page-1/#comment-231065</link>
		<dc:creator>hajo-hi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Babs, RonF,

no way we would buy the bullets, although it would not break our bank.

Germany paid one time for not going to war, that was at the Persian Gulf War in 1991. Please lookup the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#Cost

That was later felt as embarrassing and the public consensus was that next time Germany would either take some military part or no part at all.

As for the Persian Gulf War cost, there is an important side-note to it. Regrettably I have no link on it. True or false, I remember reading it in a left-winged news magazine and  it was &quot;public knowledge&quot; in Germany, especially at the begin of the Iraq war in 2003: The congressional office inflated the US costs of the Persian Gulf War on purpose, they were moreover in the 40-50 billion $ region and they would not want to admit that they made profit out of the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Babs, RonF,</p>
<p>no way we would buy the bullets, although it would not break our bank.</p>
<p>Germany paid one time for not going to war, that was at the Persian Gulf War in 1991. Please lookup the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#Cost" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War#Cost</a></p>
<p>That was later felt as embarrassing and the public consensus was that next time Germany would either take some military part or no part at all.</p>
<p>As for the Persian Gulf War cost, there is an important side-note to it. Regrettably I have no link on it. True or false, I remember reading it in a left-winged news magazine and  it was &#8220;public knowledge&#8221; in Germany, especially at the begin of the Iraq war in 2003: The congressional office inflated the US costs of the Persian Gulf War on purpose, they were moreover in the 40-50 billion $ region and they would not want to admit that they made profit out of the war.</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/07/29/picking-up-the-tab/comment-page-1/#comment-231022</link>
		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O.K. Strike that last para, it&#039;s addressed in the &quot;caveats&quot; link in the post.

Sigh ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O.K. Strike that last para, it&#8217;s addressed in the &#8220;caveats&#8221; link in the post.</p>
<p>Sigh &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: RonF</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/07/29/picking-up-the-tab/comment-page-1/#comment-231017</link>
		<dc:creator>RonF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Spent significant portions of our GDP to protect them - exposed our own island homeland to nuclear annihilation by extending our nuclear umbrella over them! -  while they in turn skimped on their own defense in order to built elaborate social support systems.&lt;/i&gt;

A key issue I&#039;ve been talking about for some time.  Every time someone says &quot;The U.S. should intervene in Darfur&quot; or something such, I comment somewhere along the lines of &quot;We&#039;re busy - how about if the Germans and French and Italians and Spainiards send in their army?&quot;

Being informed that they haven&#039;t the resources to do so, I lead the discussion to the end that the lack of resources stem from a lack of will.  And the lack of will stems is expressed in a particular choice of priorities - if you want to spend money on social services, then of course you will not have that money to spend on the military, etc.  But then, if you don&#039;t want to spend money on that, why should we?  Who are you to tell us how to spend our money and place our priorities on something where you are not willing to do the same?

Others here are very likely much better informed on this next than I, but IIRC there&#039;s also an issue that other countries (Britian and Canada being notable exceptions) won&#039;t permit their armed forces to actually be put in harms&#039; way.  Haven&#039;t various other forces in NATO assignments been forbidden from being placed in combat situations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Spent significant portions of our GDP to protect them &#8211; exposed our own island homeland to nuclear annihilation by extending our nuclear umbrella over them! &#8211;  while they in turn skimped on their own defense in order to built elaborate social support systems.</i></p>
<p>A key issue I&#8217;ve been talking about for some time.  Every time someone says &#8220;The U.S. should intervene in Darfur&#8221; or something such, I comment somewhere along the lines of &#8220;We&#8217;re busy &#8211; how about if the Germans and French and Italians and Spainiards send in their army?&#8221;</p>
<p>Being informed that they haven&#8217;t the resources to do so, I lead the discussion to the end that the lack of resources stem from a lack of will.  And the lack of will stems is expressed in a particular choice of priorities &#8211; if you want to spend money on social services, then of course you will not have that money to spend on the military, etc.  But then, if you don&#8217;t want to spend money on that, why should we?  Who are you to tell us how to spend our money and place our priorities on something where you are not willing to do the same?</p>
<p>Others here are very likely much better informed on this next than I, but IIRC there&#8217;s also an issue that other countries (Britian and Canada being notable exceptions) won&#8217;t permit their armed forces to actually be put in harms&#8217; way.  Haven&#8217;t various other forces in NATO assignments been forbidden from being placed in combat situations?</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us never forget that the Germans voted Hitler into office as chancellor.  They got it wrong; once.  That was enough.

There are a lot of people that declare that there is no way that one &quot;wrong&quot; president can do that kind of damage in the US.  These morons need to come up with some example to prove their case.  In a democracy, elections matter.  I cannot think of any democracy or republic that successfully survived voting into office a marxist or socialist government without some sort of civil war; barring FDR who lucked into a major world war and died in office.  Let&#039;s see: Spain, Italy, Germany, Russia, all the SSRs that really had no choice, Nicaragua, Argentina,.......hmmm, except for the thoroughly emasculated Nordic countries it seems to be a clean sweep.  On the other hand, I expect &quot;pirate&quot; submarines off the coast of Denmark and Sweden any day now.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us never forget that the Germans voted Hitler into office as chancellor.  They got it wrong; once.  That was enough.</p>
<p>There are a lot of people that declare that there is no way that one &#8220;wrong&#8221; president can do that kind of damage in the US.  These morons need to come up with some example to prove their case.  In a democracy, elections matter.  I cannot think of any democracy or republic that successfully survived voting into office a marxist or socialist government without some sort of civil war; barring FDR who lucked into a major world war and died in office.  Let&#8217;s see: Spain, Italy, Germany, Russia, all the SSRs that really had no choice, Nicaragua, Argentina,&#8230;&#8230;.hmmm, except for the thoroughly emasculated Nordic countries it seems to be a clean sweep.  On the other hand, I expect &#8220;pirate&#8221; submarines off the coast of Denmark and Sweden any day now&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Babs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Babs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could the Germans at least buy bullets? Would that break their bank?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could the Germans at least buy bullets? Would that break their bank?</p>
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