Comments on: Do not go gentle

By: Michelle

Michelle — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:19:44 +0000

B2, I was talking about on TFD was the federal one, Ezra’s case was in front of the Alberta one. There is a federal commission and then each province also has their own.

Sorry, Babs, I didn’t realize you were continuing the conversation without me. Didn’t you tell me to give it up (shortly after you opened a conversation with me)? Anyway, the problem you have with me is not my selective facts, it’s your selective listening. You don’t hear what I say, you hear what you think I am going to say.

I said adjudication of claims of discrimination (for housing, employment, disability) need a forum like HRCs to be heard in because too many people cannot afford to take such claims to court. And as I said@20 above, if the only complaint is about these kind of claims (political speech/free speech issues), if the agenda is not the abolition of HRCs period, then yeah, we do agree. Perhaps you could point out in exactly which of my posts I vacillated on that point.

Since I percieve Ezra to have an agenda of not just removing these type of complaints from the jurisdiciton of HRCs but abolishing the Commissions completely, then I have a problem with the position of anyone who agrees with that position. I wouldn’t call them the enemy, though. Semantics, perhaps…

Ezra pi**es me off for his petty, arrogant style, for being so full of himself, for appearing to be the type of person who can only elevate himself by putting others down and for being, as I perceive it, very disingenuous. Based on his writing (and I have read quite a bit of his blog), I submit that he has an agenda. An agenda he is far from being completely upfront and honest about. It’s not all about protecting freedom of speech (which I could get behind) as he would like to have you believe, it’s about abolishing HR Commissions. Full stop. But since we can’t agree on that, why don’t you go ask him what he really wants to see happen?

Oh yeah, and he also annoys the heck out of me for being so full of crap with his kangaroo court comments. He wants people to believe what he wants them to believe. Therefore he appears to have no trouble distorting the facts. Including the facts as to how human rights hearings actually operate.

If he stuck to the actual issues, I would have no problem with him. I wanted the complaint against him to be dismissed, I would have been very upset it it hadn’t.

Of course, I don’t hate Mark Steyn. Why would you ask such a silly question? From what I’ve seen he seems like a very intelligent man who is rightfully upset about what he has been caught up in.

Glad we could finally agree. Although I think all we’ve really done is rehash what we talked about back in January on TFD. Of course then we decided to agree to disagree. So perhaps this is progress after all.

By: MissBirdlegs in AL

MissBirdlegs in AL — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:21:46 +0000

Babs – All good thoughts and wishes for your son. Thank you (and him)!

By: Babs

Babs — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 22:22:12 +0000

Ok, got to give you credit Michelle when you say:
That truth is no defence to these sort of claims in the HR context is ridiculous and part of the original problem.

It’s time to abolish the amendments that purport to give HR Commissions the jurisdiction to deal with such claims,

I couldn’t agree with you more.

Sorry it has taken so long for us to come to agreement. If Canada would abolish their 13 (A) and (B) I think we would agree.

By: Babs

Babs — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:51:45 +0000

So you also hate Mark Steyn?

By: Babs

Babs — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:37:21 +0000

You know Michelle, you always put up a good fight with your selective facts.
No one has ever said that adjudication of housing or employment should be abolished.
As far as I can tell, the SOLE REASON FOR COMPLAINT is the “hate speech/hate crimes “that seem to come before the HRC’s more and more.
You seem very intent to argue your corner while, at the same time giving room to my point of view i.e, your posts have vascilitated from stern approval of the HRC’s to understanding that they have overstepped their bounds in their “hate speech” condemnations. I can’t help but think that in this forum you would find little sympathy for the latter.. Please see your post about 6 back… And yet, anyone you perceive to be on the side of Ezra Levant is an enemy.
I don’t know who this man really is as I also don’t know who Guy Earl is. What I do know is that getting dragged before a kangaroo cout, at tremendous expense is very, very troubling to free speech.
You might be a champion of those wishing equal rights in housing and employment. That is all well and good. Where you absolutely have to draw the line is the arena of free speech…
Your hatred of Ezra Levant is somewhat disturbing to me. Why do you hate him so?

By: badbob

badbob — Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:33:44 +0000

Michelle,

This HRC. Is that the same commission you blogged about over in Lex’s auxilliary site?