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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: Skippy-san</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/04/well-here-we-go/comment-page-2/#comment-275122</link>
		<dc:creator>Skippy-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B2,

  I think you have hit on a very important point and its one that also has application to the immigration problem.

    Regardless of the color of one&#039;s skin-this is still an English country-descended from British social traditions.  The immigrants who came here in the begining of the century, I believe understood that very well and by the 3rd generation in general were well adapted to our Anglo-Saxon customs.

    Somewhere along the way that went off the tracks. And its true with African Americans too.  I hate that term by the way, Blacks in America have nothing in common with those in Africa.  Black Americans and White Amercians too need to assimilate into that common American culture-or there is not starting point from which to build a concensus. Having English be the official language might be a good way to start.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B2,</p>
<p>  I think you have hit on a very important point and its one that also has application to the immigration problem.</p>
<p>    Regardless of the color of one&#8217;s skin-this is still an English country-descended from British social traditions.  The immigrants who came here in the begining of the century, I believe understood that very well and by the 3rd generation in general were well adapted to our Anglo-Saxon customs.</p>
<p>    Somewhere along the way that went off the tracks. And its true with African Americans too.  I hate that term by the way, Blacks in America have nothing in common with those in Africa.  Black Americans and White Amercians too need to assimilate into that common American culture-or there is not starting point from which to build a concensus. Having English be the official language might be a good way to start.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/04/well-here-we-go/comment-page-2/#comment-275108</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>B2 -- Flight Lead works in health care.  Raised by a democrat, union carpenter father, big supporter of women&#039;s reproductive rights.  But sick and tired of the death of personal responsiblity, aided and abetted by the mommy party.  Fed up with the families that demand -- yes, &lt;strong&gt;demand&lt;/strong&gt; -- extraordinary measures, all Medicaid or charity funded, for their 410 pound, 5&#039;7&quot;, 45 year old relative, dying of heart disease.  She wants to scream back just as loud, &quot;Where were &lt;strong&gt;you&lt;/strong&gt; when they ate their way into Type II diabetes?&quot;  &quot;Did &lt;strong&gt;you&lt;/strong&gt; give them that third piece of pie for Thanksgiving?&quot;  That is the responsibility shirking environment we live in, and I don&#039;t have any hope it will do anything but get worse over the next four years.

When the president-elect demands responsibility from the beneficiaries of &quot;spreading the wealth&quot;, to the same level his VP demands &quot;patriotism&quot; from the bill payers.........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>B2 &#8212; Flight Lead works in health care.  Raised by a democrat, union carpenter father, big supporter of women&#8217;s reproductive rights.  But sick and tired of the death of personal responsiblity, aided and abetted by the mommy party.  Fed up with the families that demand &#8212; yes, <strong>demand</strong> &#8212; extraordinary measures, all Medicaid or charity funded, for their 410 pound, 5&#8217;7&#8243;, 45 year old relative, dying of heart disease.  She wants to scream back just as loud, &#8220;Where were <strong>you</strong> when they ate their way into Type II diabetes?&#8221;  &#8220;Did <strong>you</strong> give them that third piece of pie for Thanksgiving?&#8221;  That is the responsibility shirking environment we live in, and I don&#8217;t have any hope it will do anything but get worse over the next four years.</p>
<p>When the president-elect demands responsibility from the beneficiaries of &#8220;spreading the wealth&#8221;, to the same level his VP demands &#8220;patriotism&#8221; from the bill payers&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: RetRsvMike</title>
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		<dc:creator>RetRsvMike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 13:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..with b2 and OP coming to consensus in acknowledging the relative strengths of each other&#039;s positions, and lex and flit agreeing on some non-existent aircraft design element, i see the new era of hope and change already.

it&#039;s not just a chimera, (or unicorn if you would prefer).

..far be it from me to inter-dict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>..with b2 and OP coming to consensus in acknowledging the relative strengths of each other&#8217;s positions, and lex and flit agreeing on some non-existent aircraft design element, i see the new era of hope and change already.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s not just a chimera, (or unicorn if you would prefer).</p>
<p>..far be it from me to inter-dict.</p>
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		<title>By: b2</title>
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		<dc:creator>b2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 12:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OP,

I ain&#039;t a soul searcher in need of more statistics to know why it happened..Part cult of personality, novelty, promised freebies, a pacified Iraq/short-term memory of 9-11 and about 99% fear of the economic situation brought on by a credit meltdown mainly due to their own excess...

The demographics? If you acknowledge my seed corn point, my point that this wasn&#039;t a mandate- numbers wise...I&#039;ll cede to yours. With the caveat that I recognize the numbers but don&#039;t agree with the interpretive analysis.

The American people are more center right than you would ever know. Nobody in here has much mentioned it since Tuesday, but did what happened in California w/Prop8 register?

Marianne,

You have observed this drama longer than I and I respect your opinion.  You are probably right. I&#039;ve said it at least twice in here- the 40 acres and a mule debt? It&#039;s paid in full with this election. I only ask for more personal responsibility and accountability from American blacks as a bloc.  I say clean up your house- no more excuses. From a simple point of economics we can&#039;t afford to carry you any further up the road.You need to stand up on your own legs. I&#039;m tired of the B.S. 

b2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OP,</p>
<p>I ain&#8217;t a soul searcher in need of more statistics to know why it happened..Part cult of personality, novelty, promised freebies, a pacified Iraq/short-term memory of 9-11 and about 99% fear of the economic situation brought on by a credit meltdown mainly due to their own excess&#8230;</p>
<p>The demographics? If you acknowledge my seed corn point, my point that this wasn&#8217;t a mandate- numbers wise&#8230;I&#8217;ll cede to yours. With the caveat that I recognize the numbers but don&#8217;t agree with the interpretive analysis.</p>
<p>The American people are more center right than you would ever know. Nobody in here has much mentioned it since Tuesday, but did what happened in California w/Prop8 register?</p>
<p>Marianne,</p>
<p>You have observed this drama longer than I and I respect your opinion.  You are probably right. I&#8217;ve said it at least twice in here- the 40 acres and a mule debt? It&#8217;s paid in full with this election. I only ask for more personal responsibility and accountability from American blacks as a bloc.  I say clean up your house- no more excuses. From a simple point of economics we can&#8217;t afford to carry you any further up the road.You need to stand up on your own legs. I&#8217;m tired of the B.S. </p>
<p>b2</p>
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		<title>By: Our Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Our Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 04:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Yes, &lt;strong&gt;RetRsvMike’s&lt;/strong&gt; eye caught that one cold, once again proving that the time allocation should be between 1/3 writing, 2/3 revising and word checking. Your scorn is well deserved, your invective above any criticism I may offer.

Never implied you were a yokel &lt;strong&gt;badbob&lt;/strong&gt;, in fact I have always suspected that behind your rough and tough façade lurks a world class mind. Raw statistics and poll numbers, such as I presented in my com #72 are nothing more than a bit of popcorn, food for thought if you wish… 

Your disdain is noted. I suspect that you are searching for ways to stretch your thinking, and find my offerings inadequate. Pat Ruffini of &lt;strong&gt;Next Right&lt;/strong&gt; fame is no mean slouch of a thinker, and attracts a lively discussion group. His post today, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenextright.com/patrick-ruffini/the-straight-ticket-youth-vote&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Straight-Ticket Youth Vote&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; will be of interest. The discussion is lively and well worth a perusal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Yes, <strong>RetRsvMike’s</strong> eye caught that one cold, once again proving that the time allocation should be between 1/3 writing, 2/3 revising and word checking. Your scorn is well deserved, your invective above any criticism I may offer.</p>
<p>Never implied you were a yokel <strong>badbob</strong>, in fact I have always suspected that behind your rough and tough façade lurks a world class mind. Raw statistics and poll numbers, such as I presented in my com #72 are nothing more than a bit of popcorn, food for thought if you wish… </p>
<p>Your disdain is noted. I suspect that you are searching for ways to stretch your thinking, and find my offerings inadequate. Pat Ruffini of <strong>Next Right</strong> fame is no mean slouch of a thinker, and attracts a lively discussion group. His post today, <a href="http://www.thenextright.com/patrick-ruffini/the-straight-ticket-youth-vote" rel="nofollow"><i>The Straight-Ticket Youth Vote</i></a> will be of interest. The discussion is lively and well worth a perusal.</p>
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		<title>By: Marianne Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lex and you other dear hearts ...  I have just one final comment to make on this very strange election.  I think we would be very naive to expect that the election of Obama would bring an end to the what seems to be perpetual complaints by our darker brethren that they&#039;ve been treated unfairly ever since the Civil War and we owe them lots of things, primarily financial reparations as well as bowing and respect at every encounter. 

 Who the heck among our diverse citizens ever gets that anyway?  No specialized group in our vast and varied country ever gets that on an automatic basis.  Women don&#039;t.  The military [God bless them every one] don&#039;t.  Other ethnic groups don&#039;t.  Ministers and priests don&#039;t.  The Jews don&#039;t.  It&#039;s a tough world out there.

The blacks in this country, during the bad old days of rampant racial prejudice learned that the media in this country was a powerful force.  And when talking to the media they learned how to highlight their inequities of treatment, as all minority groups since the dawn of time have learned to do.  And it worked in a way that filtered all through society&#039;s strongholds -- academia, the political power world, the churches, all of the major power centers.  And it changed the way the country and its representatives treated them.

Do you honestly expect that this group, the blacks, will voluntarily give  up these paths to the centers of power?  They will continue to want, and expect such special treatment as preferential enrollment in educational institutions, admission to desirable venues because of their color and the undeniable fact that 146 years ago Americans treated them badly -- very badly.  So did other countries in the world of that time, but that&#039;s their problem.  American black people are a problem of this country&#039;s making.

My point is that the blacks of this country won&#039;t feel that our election of a black man to the Presidency means we have done enough to create that elusive balance of respect and friendship.  And I think we would be naive to expect that.  Nothing we do during your lifetime or mine will be &quot;enough.&quot;

So, cowboy up, my friends.  This will be a long tough road ahead.  And don&#039;t expect miracles of understanding.  It ain&#039;t gonna happen.

But I love our country very much for being willing to keep trying.

Marianne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lex and you other dear hearts &#8230;  I have just one final comment to make on this very strange election.  I think we would be very naive to expect that the election of Obama would bring an end to the what seems to be perpetual complaints by our darker brethren that they&#8217;ve been treated unfairly ever since the Civil War and we owe them lots of things, primarily financial reparations as well as bowing and respect at every encounter. </p>
<p> Who the heck among our diverse citizens ever gets that anyway?  No specialized group in our vast and varied country ever gets that on an automatic basis.  Women don&#8217;t.  The military [God bless them every one] don&#8217;t.  Other ethnic groups don&#8217;t.  Ministers and priests don&#8217;t.  The Jews don&#8217;t.  It&#8217;s a tough world out there.</p>
<p>The blacks in this country, during the bad old days of rampant racial prejudice learned that the media in this country was a powerful force.  And when talking to the media they learned how to highlight their inequities of treatment, as all minority groups since the dawn of time have learned to do.  And it worked in a way that filtered all through society&#8217;s strongholds &#8212; academia, the political power world, the churches, all of the major power centers.  And it changed the way the country and its representatives treated them.</p>
<p>Do you honestly expect that this group, the blacks, will voluntarily give  up these paths to the centers of power?  They will continue to want, and expect such special treatment as preferential enrollment in educational institutions, admission to desirable venues because of their color and the undeniable fact that 146 years ago Americans treated them badly &#8212; very badly.  So did other countries in the world of that time, but that&#8217;s their problem.  American black people are a problem of this country&#8217;s making.</p>
<p>My point is that the blacks of this country won&#8217;t feel that our election of a black man to the Presidency means we have done enough to create that elusive balance of respect and friendship.  And I think we would be naive to expect that.  Nothing we do during your lifetime or mine will be &#8220;enough.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, cowboy up, my friends.  This will be a long tough road ahead.  And don&#8217;t expect miracles of understanding.  It ain&#8217;t gonna happen.</p>
<p>But I love our country very much for being willing to keep trying.</p>
<p>Marianne</p>
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