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	<title>Comments on: This is Getting Out of Hand</title>
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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: Justthisguy</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/18/this-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-282186</link>
		<dc:creator>Justthisguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Git a rope. (or many ropes)

Ain&#039;t that the traditional summary anti-pirate medicine?</description>
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<p>Ain&#8217;t that the traditional summary anti-pirate medicine?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter W.</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/18/this-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-281729</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, JKB. 

Your clear explanation helps me understand the situation much better.

Best regards, PeterWwarner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, JKB. </p>
<p>Your clear explanation helps me understand the situation much better.</p>
<p>Best regards, PeterWwarner.</p>
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		<title>By: AWC N</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/18/this-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-281427</link>
		<dc:creator>AWC N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos to the Indians. 

As for doubt if it&#039;s our (USN) job to fight pirates and protect civilian ships, read this: 
&quot;The  mission  of  the  U.S.  Navy  is  set  forth  in Title 10 of the U.S. Code. It states that the U.S. Navy  must  be  prepared  to  conduct  prompt  and sustained  combat  operations  in  support  of  the national  interest.  This  means  the  Navy  must assure  continued  maritime  superiority  for  the United  States.  The  U.S.  Navy  must  be  able  to totally defeat any threats to the continued free use of the high seas by the United States. The Navy assures  continued  maritime  superiority  through the destruction of hostile aircraft, surface ships, and submarines that threaten seaborne forces of the United States and our allies. &quot;

It&#039;s a long winded way of saying the Navy is there to project power and keep the sea lanes open. That&#039;s what they taught us in boot camp several decades ago...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to the Indians. </p>
<p>As for doubt if it&#8217;s our (USN) job to fight pirates and protect civilian ships, read this:<br />
&#8220;The  mission  of  the  U.S.  Navy  is  set  forth  in Title 10 of the U.S. Code. It states that the U.S. Navy  must  be  prepared  to  conduct  prompt  and sustained  combat  operations  in  support  of  the national  interest.  This  means  the  Navy  must assure  continued  maritime  superiority  for  the United  States.  The  U.S.  Navy  must  be  able  to totally defeat any threats to the continued free use of the high seas by the United States. The Navy assures  continued  maritime  superiority  through the destruction of hostile aircraft, surface ships, and submarines that threaten seaborne forces of the United States and our allies. &#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long winded way of saying the Navy is there to project power and keep the sea lanes open. That&#8217;s what they taught us in boot camp several decades ago&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill K.</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/18/this-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-281416</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Q-ships anyone?</description>
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		<title>By: JKB</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/18/this-is-getting-out-of-hand/comment-page-1/#comment-281388</link>
		<dc:creator>JKB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In international waters, ships are governed by the laws of their flag state.  However, upon entering the territorial waters of a port state, they are subject to the laws of that state, including in regards to the possession and use of firearms.  Not to mention, the taking of arms into a foreign state would be an export, even if temporarily, and requires a license or exception by the controlling export agency and the controlling import authority.

Couple that with the fact that any action against a threat but a civilian mariner would subject them to prosecution either in the country where the action occurred or some government agreement between the vessels flag state and the country of whom the threat was a citizen.

But take heart, the Indian Navy seems to have been willing to resolve part of the problem today when they attempted to stop and board a suspected mother ship.  So while western navies might be ham-strung by whiners at home, those port states with economic interests in the area seem to be willing to apply some resolution to the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In international waters, ships are governed by the laws of their flag state.  However, upon entering the territorial waters of a port state, they are subject to the laws of that state, including in regards to the possession and use of firearms.  Not to mention, the taking of arms into a foreign state would be an export, even if temporarily, and requires a license or exception by the controlling export agency and the controlling import authority.</p>
<p>Couple that with the fact that any action against a threat but a civilian mariner would subject them to prosecution either in the country where the action occurred or some government agreement between the vessels flag state and the country of whom the threat was a citizen.</p>
<p>But take heart, the Indian Navy seems to have been willing to resolve part of the problem today when they attempted to stop and board a suspected mother ship.  So while western navies might be ham-strung by whiners at home, those port states with economic interests in the area seem to be willing to apply some resolution to the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Possibly, there are international legal restrictions on commercial shipping having any weapons on board. If true, that would eliminate implementing the solution of carrying armed guards on board.

Such a regulation makes no sense to me, but it would explain why their only defense seems to be &#039;evasive maneuvers&#039; and occasionally trying to use the fire hoses to repel unwanted boarding parties.
One article I read said the oil tanker was &#039;three times as big as an aircraft carrier&#039;. Is that correct, or even possible? I thought the aircraft carriers were the biggest ships on water.

Best regards, Peter Warner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly, there are international legal restrictions on commercial shipping having any weapons on board. If true, that would eliminate implementing the solution of carrying armed guards on board.</p>
<p>Such a regulation makes no sense to me, but it would explain why their only defense seems to be &#8216;evasive maneuvers&#8217; and occasionally trying to use the fire hoses to repel unwanted boarding parties.<br />
One article I read said the oil tanker was &#8216;three times as big as an aircraft carrier&#8217;. Is that correct, or even possible? I thought the aircraft carriers were the biggest ships on water.</p>
<p>Best regards, Peter Warner.</p>
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