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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/24/eager-lads/comment-page-1/#comment-284899</link>
		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BHWAAHAHAHA!! It is to laugh, Mongo.</description>
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		<title>By: Mongo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 03:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joint mission? I thought they did away with the drug thingie... Of course, if Columbia is part of NATO now, that might mean something...</description>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/24/eager-lads/comment-page-1/#comment-284814</link>
		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 02:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, I have nothing but respect for the USMC, and by dint of the fact that I spent a year in DaNang with the 1st MAW on the other side of the field and the 1st Mardiv HQ and III MAF HQ all around us, I probably have a greater appreciation and understanding of the Marine &quot;MO&quot; than the average USAF &quot;zoomie,&quot;  I made the comments I did more with a chuckle than anything else.  But having seen the machinations of the Marines to stay away from the grip of the AF during Operation Niagra at Khe Sanh when we took over the scheduling of Marine air under the &quot;single-manager&quot; system that was imposed upon them by the JCS at the behest of the AF,  I think I have as better feel than many for the attitude the USMC holds about &quot;joint&quot; ops. 

Look, you think it&#039;s not political? When, after Tet, the Army presence was beefed up in I-Corps
with the 82nd and 101st and the 1st of the 5th Mech, the Army demanded a Corps designation
and got it, just to compete with Lt. General Chapman over at IIIMAF. It was designated 21st Corps, under Lt, Gen Crossen, USA. with HQ up at Hue-Phu Bai. To say that a pissin&#039; contest ensued between the two 3-stars with the USAF in control of all the air, is an understatement. And, while &quot;jointness&quot; has gotten better through the years (hey, I even managed to sneak in  a Joint Service Commendation piece of bright colored ribbon thingee myself!) don&#039;t tell me that the differing philosophies and force structures that follow from that and, in turn become part of the feedback loop that drives further policies, don&#039;t 
serve to create tensions during ANY joint ops. 

All I was trying to do was to note the tendency of the Marines to remain independent--despite the fact they are often op-con&#039;d under the Army as in under MacArthur in WWII and again in Korea. The CG of the 1st MARDIV in Korea is on record, btw, as saying that he never wanted to operate under the Army again, so difficult a time did he have with the differing philosophies of the Army Corps CG that he was under.

SOoooo.......All I was doing is observing that some things never change--much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, I have nothing but respect for the USMC, and by dint of the fact that I spent a year in DaNang with the 1st MAW on the other side of the field and the 1st Mardiv HQ and III MAF HQ all around us, I probably have a greater appreciation and understanding of the Marine &#8220;MO&#8221; than the average USAF &#8220;zoomie,&#8221;  I made the comments I did more with a chuckle than anything else.  But having seen the machinations of the Marines to stay away from the grip of the AF during Operation Niagra at Khe Sanh when we took over the scheduling of Marine air under the &#8220;single-manager&#8221; system that was imposed upon them by the JCS at the behest of the AF,  I think I have as better feel than many for the attitude the USMC holds about &#8220;joint&#8221; ops. </p>
<p>Look, you think it&#8217;s not political? When, after Tet, the Army presence was beefed up in I-Corps<br />
with the 82nd and 101st and the 1st of the 5th Mech, the Army demanded a Corps designation<br />
and got it, just to compete with Lt. General Chapman over at IIIMAF. It was designated 21st Corps, under Lt, Gen Crossen, USA. with HQ up at Hue-Phu Bai. To say that a pissin&#8217; contest ensued between the two 3-stars with the USAF in control of all the air, is an understatement. And, while &#8220;jointness&#8221; has gotten better through the years (hey, I even managed to sneak in  a Joint Service Commendation piece of bright colored ribbon thingee myself!) don&#8217;t tell me that the differing philosophies and force structures that follow from that and, in turn become part of the feedback loop that drives further policies, don&#8217;t<br />
serve to create tensions during ANY joint ops. </p>
<p>All I was trying to do was to note the tendency of the Marines to remain independent&#8211;despite the fact they are often op-con&#8217;d under the Army as in under MacArthur in WWII and again in Korea. The CG of the 1st MARDIV in Korea is on record, btw, as saying that he never wanted to operate under the Army again, so difficult a time did he have with the differing philosophies of the Army Corps CG that he was under.</p>
<p>SOoooo&#8230;&#8230;.All I was doing is observing that some things never change&#8211;much.</p>
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		<title>By: Mongo</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/24/eager-lads/comment-page-1/#comment-284733</link>
		<dc:creator>Mongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VG: I don&#039;t know that it&#039;s so much a matter of ignoring NATO or Army as it is &#039;interpreting&#039; the ROE, which has always been a Marine specialty. For them &#039;Mission Accomplished. Aye, Aye. Sir&#039; is the sought after goal, not who&#039;s happy about it or how it got done at mission&#039;s end. Always worked for me and the rest of the bubbas...

Here&#039;s another noteworthy place to go and donate, with actual interaction not only required but gratefully responded to: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.anymarine.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Marine &lt;/a&gt; You can branch out from there to donate to the Service and member of your choice. I&#039;ve found it a great opportunity to make the whole OIF/OEF a very personal matter. 

So many wonderful folks overseas really do enjoy hearing from us, and whatever we can send is always gratefully received. Take a moment, Gang. You&#039;ll not be sorry.

Lex, a comment sent your way elsewhere. 
V/R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VG: I don&#8217;t know that it&#8217;s so much a matter of ignoring NATO or Army as it is &#8216;interpreting&#8217; the ROE, which has always been a Marine specialty. For them &#8216;Mission Accomplished. Aye, Aye. Sir&#8217; is the sought after goal, not who&#8217;s happy about it or how it got done at mission&#8217;s end. Always worked for me and the rest of the bubbas&#8230;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another noteworthy place to go and donate, with actual interaction not only required but gratefully responded to: <a href="http://www.anymarine.com/" rel="nofollow"> Marine </a> You can branch out from there to donate to the Service and member of your choice. I&#8217;ve found it a great opportunity to make the whole OIF/OEF a very personal matter. </p>
<p>So many wonderful folks overseas really do enjoy hearing from us, and whatever we can send is always gratefully received. Take a moment, Gang. You&#8217;ll not be sorry.</p>
<p>Lex, a comment sent your way elsewhere.<br />
V/R</p>
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		<title>By: Bill K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joint mission? What joint mission? With NATO?</description>
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		<title>By: Snake Eater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snake Eater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VX, And  just how does that  historically  immature/ chip on the shoulder attitude contribute to the accomplishment of the joint  mission ... ?? Best</description>
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