Comments on: Sometimes You Get a Second http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/25/sometimes-you-get-a-second/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:48:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ray http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/25/sometimes-you-get-a-second/comment-page-1/#comment-285897 Ray Thu, 27 Nov 2008 04:48:07 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6377#comment-285897 In command eject in the hoovers, if one of the front seats pulled the handles the back seats went out first, then the front. In the back, if we pulled the handles we were going solo. Unless the command/single levers were installed upside down. When 24 had the COTAC go by himself the wing learned we had this problem, :( , for a short time anyway. We had another problem with roll angle. The back seats went out at an angle to the side for separation. In command eject in the hoovers, if one of the front seats pulled the handles the back seats went out first, then the front. In the back, if we pulled the handles we were going solo. Unless the command/single levers were installed upside down. When 24 had the COTAC go by himself the wing learned we had this problem, :( , for a short time anyway.
We had another problem with roll angle. The back seats went out at an angle to the side for separation.

]]> By: badbob http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/25/sometimes-you-get-a-second/comment-page-1/#comment-285719 badbob Wed, 26 Nov 2008 20:10:36 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6377#comment-285719 Intruders go individually. Ya gotta pull...Some Intruder pilots have landed without BNs..well, more than should have... Some BNs were left alone to reach over, bring the bird to wings level and then calmy leave..This one was unique: http://www.gallagher.com/ejection_seat/technical_aspects.htm The S-3 is a 2+2 system.-front/aft. In crew eject, back seats go 1st and then front seats. The pilot ain't last unless he's fat (physics)...From ejection initiation by Pilot/Copilot the entire sequence until pilot/copilot get a chute (lowalt) is 1.6 seconds. The S-3 does have self eject but that is used as a b/u..If you go out by yourself you WILL burn the dude/dudess alongside. Self eject is normally selected prior to headknockers down- same an A-4/A-7. Any comments on actual GPWS knowledge, other system warnings for OOCF in 18's or above? Think about it, if a GPWS systen can warn or tell you the acft is about to hit the water based on rates or that you are approaching stall..it's gotta be able to tell you when to eject in an unrecoverable spin... b2 Intruders go individually. Ya gotta pull…Some Intruder pilots have landed without BNs..well, more than should have… Some BNs were left alone to reach over, bring the bird to wings level and then calmy leave..This one was unique:
http://www.gallagher.com/ejection_seat/technical_aspects.htm

The S-3 is a 2+2 system.-front/aft. In crew eject, back seats go 1st and then front seats. The pilot ain’t last unless he’s fat (physics)…From ejection initiation by Pilot/Copilot the entire sequence until pilot/copilot get a chute (lowalt) is 1.6 seconds. The S-3 does have self eject but that is used as a b/u..If you go out by yourself you WILL burn the dude/dudess alongside. Self eject is normally selected prior to headknockers down- same an A-4/A-7.

Any comments on actual GPWS knowledge, other system warnings for OOCF in 18′s or above? Think about it, if a GPWS systen can warn or tell you the acft is about to hit the water based on rates or that you are approaching stall..it’s gotta be able to tell you when to eject in an unrecoverable spin…

b2

]]> By: virgil xenophon http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/25/sometimes-you-get-a-second/comment-page-1/#comment-285669 virgil xenophon Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:56:44 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6377#comment-285669 The loss of the RF-4 I alluded to above was due to the incapacity of the front seater much like the incident prowlerguy mentions--with the backseater getting out too late due to problems with the handle Mongo mentioned.We knew from radio calls the Nav was having problems turning the handle horizontal for command eject to save his AC, and his struggles with it cost him his life as he got out too late. That accident caused every F-4 world-wide to be re-inspected for poss. frozen/jammed command eject handle links. The loss of the RF-4 I alluded to above was due to the incapacity of the front seater much like the incident prowlerguy mentions–with the backseater getting out too late due to problems with the handle Mongo mentioned.We knew from radio calls the Nav was having problems turning the handle horizontal for command eject to save his AC, and his struggles with it cost him his life as he got out too late. That accident caused every F-4 world-wide to be re-inspected for poss. frozen/jammed command eject handle links.

]]> By: Bruce Jones http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/25/sometimes-you-get-a-second/comment-page-1/#comment-285613 Bruce Jones Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:12:13 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6377#comment-285613 The EA-6B seats are programmed to shoot out each person staggered by 0.4 seconds: rear seats 0.0, 0.4, front seats 0.8, 1.2. If you're sitting in the 0.0 seat, you should keep in mind that the restraints pull you into the proper position as you're going up the rails; you forget that to your chiropractor's benefit. Anyone other than the pilot has the option to walk home alone, but you're still gonna wait the same amount of time. The pilot always has command eject, and the front seat ECMO also has that option. Empty seats are kept disabled since they can interfere with a safe ejection. I had been at the Prowler RAG for about a month when we lost an aircraft on a training det at El Centro; three souls gone before you took a breath. Thought about bringing it up a couple of times, and decided not to basically because of Lex's second to last paragraph. Whether the airplane crapped out on them or they did something wrong doesn't change the bottom line: They died in the line of duty. Any other information from the mishap is for those who have to close ranks and continue the mission. The EA-6B seats are programmed to shoot out each person staggered by 0.4 seconds: rear seats 0.0, 0.4, front seats 0.8, 1.2. If you’re sitting in the 0.0 seat, you should keep in mind that the restraints pull you into the proper position as you’re going up the rails; you forget that to your chiropractor’s benefit. Anyone other than the pilot has the option to walk home alone, but you’re still gonna wait the same amount of time. The pilot always has command eject, and the front seat ECMO also has that option. Empty seats are kept disabled since they can interfere with a safe ejection.

I had been at the Prowler RAG for about a month when we lost an aircraft on a training det at El Centro; three souls gone before you took a breath. Thought about bringing it up a couple of times, and decided not to basically because of Lex’s second to last paragraph. Whether the airplane crapped out on them or they did something wrong doesn’t change the bottom line:

They died in the line of duty.

Any other information from the mishap is for those who have to close ranks and continue the mission.

]]> By: prowlerguy http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/25/sometimes-you-get-a-second/comment-page-1/#comment-285612 prowlerguy Wed, 26 Nov 2008 15:07:56 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6377#comment-285612 Prowlers had command ejection on the pilot's seat, which would initiate E3-E2-E1-P, with a .4 sec delay between each seat. Each ECMO could initiate their own ejection. I seem to recall some changes to the A-6 ejection system due to a squadron CO on a flyoff having a hypoxic episode and going down with the plane while the B/N was only able to eject himself. My memory is a little fuzzy on that one, and the changes came after the end of my flying. Prowlers had command ejection on the pilot’s seat, which would initiate E3-E2-E1-P, with a .4 sec delay between each seat. Each ECMO could initiate their own ejection.

I seem to recall some changes to the A-6 ejection system due to a squadron CO on a flyoff having a hypoxic episode and going down with the plane while the B/N was only able to eject himself. My memory is a little fuzzy on that one, and the changes came after the end of my flying.

]]> By: MaxDamage http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/11/25/sometimes-you-get-a-second/comment-page-1/#comment-285458 MaxDamage Wed, 26 Nov 2008 06:37:41 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6377#comment-285458 Sid, that's a powerful tale. Gotta be a terrible burden to bear, I'm alive and he's not, he saved my life and neither of us did anything wrong. I expect men who've served in combat learn to accept that burden. Most of them. Sorry, I'm still having a tough time with it. - Max Sid, that’s a powerful tale.

Gotta be a terrible burden to bear, I’m alive and he’s not, he saved my life and neither of us did anything wrong.

I expect men who’ve served in combat learn to accept that burden. Most of them.

Sorry, I’m still having a tough time with it.

– Max

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