Comments on: Like Vikings http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/12/27/like-vikings/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:44:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tuna http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/12/27/like-vikings/comment-page-1/#comment-305409 Tuna Tue, 30 Dec 2008 06:09:16 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6853#comment-305409 B2- never meant to equate ISR and SSC- just two missions a UAS could provide from the flight deck, one of which I know is not given the full attention it may need now that the S-3 is gone. SSC was a big mission set for us and kept the Desron guys happy. ASW was dropped at the end of my first tour. True, no one resisted the loss or reduction in either mission, or at least not enough to get us away from Davis Monthan. Not exactly sure why you say the Navy doesn't do ISR- I did a ton of it with the SSU. B2- never meant to equate ISR and SSC- just two missions a UAS could provide from the flight deck, one of which I know is not given the full attention it may need now that the S-3 is gone. SSC was a big mission set for us and kept the Desron guys happy. ASW was dropped at the end of my first tour. True, no one resisted the loss or reduction in either mission, or at least not enough to get us away from Davis Monthan. Not exactly sure why you say the Navy doesn’t do ISR- I did a ton of it with the SSU.

]]> By: b2 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/12/27/like-vikings/comment-page-1/#comment-305211 b2 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:28:43 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6853#comment-305211 -2 of Double post removed! Solly Lex. b2 -2 of Double post removed! Solly Lex.

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]]> By: b2 http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/12/27/like-vikings/comment-page-1/#comment-305205 b2 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:17:56 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6853#comment-305205 Tuna, The Navy does not do ISR. SSC ain't ISR. ISR ain't SSC. Even in a UAS. The Viking conducted NTISR deployment to meet the requirements of the SECDEF and the critical period of the ongoing Surge. "Surge", as in real war, not postulated for future conflict.... As SecNav recently pointed out, those (4 ) S-3Bs with ISR capability were the only "system" the US Navy could muster up to help last summer (after being compelled of course). That is also why you won't see the Viking doing this again although the COCOMs need a like capability, badly. The US Navy chops forces "it wants" to the COCOM. It normally provides CSGs/ARGs only. The US Navy divested the Viking from it's business model several years ago. Unwiseli, IMO, for a lot of reasons including ASW, overhead tanking , etc. etc. No one resisted then. No one will resist now. Come end of January- outta sight-outta mind. To repeat- the Navy does not do ISR. All said, you are morally correct, somebody should be held accountable. If only for the troops on the ground and in harms way. Don't hold your breath for that to happen though. Claudio, Just to update your anecdotes, the ES-3A is not your S-3B of today, er...yesterday. The ES-3 was a "pig" (aerodynamically) and stuffed with expensive and unique "E" systems operated from the flight deck. On the other hand, the S-3B is the cheapest cost per flight hour fixed wing aircraft in the airwing the last several years as documented by the NAE...Ashore, it is really inexpensive to operate. BTW, any observations above are entirely my own and nobody elses. Simple facts based on public record and recent press reports. b2 Tuna,

The Navy does not do ISR. SSC ain’t ISR. ISR ain’t SSC. Even in a UAS.

The Viking conducted NTISR deployment to meet the requirements of the SECDEF and the critical period of the ongoing Surge. “Surge”, as in real war, not postulated for future conflict…. As SecNav recently pointed out, those (4 ) S-3Bs with ISR capability were the only “system” the US Navy could muster up to help last summer (after being compelled of course).

That is also why you won’t see the Viking doing this again although the COCOMs need a like capability, badly. The US Navy chops forces “it wants” to the COCOM. It normally provides CSGs/ARGs only. The US Navy divested the Viking from it’s business model several years ago. Unwiseli, IMO, for a lot of reasons including ASW, overhead tanking , etc. etc. No one resisted then. No one will resist now. Come end of January- outta sight-outta mind.

To repeat- the Navy does not do ISR. All said, you are morally correct, somebody should be held accountable. If only for the troops on the ground and in harms way. Don’t hold your breath for that to happen though.

Claudio,

Just to update your anecdotes, the ES-3A is not your S-3B of today, er…yesterday. The ES-3 was a “pig” (aerodynamically) and stuffed with expensive and unique “E” systems operated from the flight deck. On the other hand, the S-3B is the cheapest cost per flight hour fixed wing aircraft in the airwing the last several years as documented by the NAE…Ashore, it is really inexpensive to operate.

BTW, any observations above are entirely my own and nobody elses. Simple facts based on public record and recent press reports.

b2

]]> By: jon spencer http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/12/27/like-vikings/comment-page-1/#comment-305036 jon spencer Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:18:17 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6853#comment-305036 Like vikings? You mean drinking mead and eating magic mushrooms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berzerker Like vikings?
You mean drinking mead and eating magic mushrooms?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berzerker

]]> By: Ray http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/12/27/like-vikings/comment-page-1/#comment-304944 Ray Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:13:14 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6853#comment-304944 Another old Checkmate here. Since I've been out of the game for over a decade now I don't know all the latest thats happening. However from what I do see as our current ASW, or lack thereof, it might need some work. Another old Checkmate here. Since I’ve been out of the game for over a decade now I don’t know all the latest thats happening. However from what I do see as our current ASW, or lack thereof, it might need some work.

]]> By: Mongo http://www.neptunuslex.com/2008/12/27/like-vikings/comment-page-1/#comment-304767 Mongo Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:53:52 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=6853#comment-304767 Well, as a former Bluehawk of HAL-5 I can appreciate the path these fine folks have trodden. When Cammies, regular personal firearms training, living in tents in the desert, standing watch behind sandbags or a dirt berm, eating out of a can, sponge bathing once a week, and knowing the nearest ship is a 1,000 miles away become de rigueur, life is atypical of that envisioned by most any Sailor. No pun intended, it takes grit. But we happy few enjoyed it. Hoo Yah, Checkmates. Well done, Shipmates! Well, as a former Bluehawk of HAL-5 I can appreciate the path these fine folks have trodden.
When Cammies, regular personal firearms training, living in tents in the desert, standing watch behind sandbags or a dirt berm, eating out of a can, sponge bathing once a week, and knowing the nearest ship is a 1,000 miles away become de rigueur, life is atypical of that envisioned by most any Sailor.

No pun intended, it takes grit. But we happy few enjoyed it.

Hoo Yah, Checkmates. Well done, Shipmates!

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