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		<title>By: Quartermaster</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2009/01/30/historys-second-draft-2/comment-page-1/#comment-319650</link>
		<dc:creator>Quartermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 01:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nature of Vietnam changed dramatically with Tet. The Viet Cong were destroyed and the war was taken over by the North Vietnamese Army. We kicked their tails back north. When we were drawn down almost to nothing, the NVA sent 150,000 south with the Easter Offensive of 1972. Mr. ARVN, with some aviation support from us (the first use of TOW missiles in combat took place then), less than 50,000 went back north of the DMZ. We lost less than 100 troops that year, if memory serves. ARVN lost in 1975 because the morons in Congress who hated America as much as they do now, refused to honor the treaty commitments to South Vietnam. Had I been Ford, I would have honored them and told Congress to go home or I would send them home since they refused to do their duty. But, Ford was a RINO who came from the hallowed halls of do nothing in Congress himself.

Afghanistan has few similarities to Vietnam. The conflict has a much different nature and roots than did Vietnam. Islam and the warring culture of the Aghans, who will fight each other if they don&#039;t have outsiders to fight. Much of the trouble brews in the Northwestern territory around the Khyber pass region, where they make SMLE Rifles and Browning High Power pistols with little more than hacksaws and files. The make AKs the same way (M16s are bit too finely made to be built in their manner). The only way we will end the Afghan war is to back them into a corner where it&#039;s surrender or die. Some will choose to die, and you have to allow them their wish. The rest, they leave Islam permanently. They get into their cage and behave themselves from then on. If they don&#039;t you go in and do it all over again. Sooner or later you won&#039;t have to do it again. 

All we are doing now, however, is swatting hornets instead of killing the nest. We lost in Korea because we allowed the Red Chinks a haven where they could rest and regroup. MacArthur was, at the bottom line, fired because he didn&#039;t want to allow them that. The Congressional hearings on Korea were humiliating for Truman as a result. But, you can&#039;t leave your enemy a sanctuary and expect to win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nature of Vietnam changed dramatically with Tet. The Viet Cong were destroyed and the war was taken over by the North Vietnamese Army. We kicked their tails back north. When we were drawn down almost to nothing, the NVA sent 150,000 south with the Easter Offensive of 1972. Mr. ARVN, with some aviation support from us (the first use of TOW missiles in combat took place then), less than 50,000 went back north of the DMZ. We lost less than 100 troops that year, if memory serves. ARVN lost in 1975 because the morons in Congress who hated America as much as they do now, refused to honor the treaty commitments to South Vietnam. Had I been Ford, I would have honored them and told Congress to go home or I would send them home since they refused to do their duty. But, Ford was a RINO who came from the hallowed halls of do nothing in Congress himself.</p>
<p>Afghanistan has few similarities to Vietnam. The conflict has a much different nature and roots than did Vietnam. Islam and the warring culture of the Aghans, who will fight each other if they don&#8217;t have outsiders to fight. Much of the trouble brews in the Northwestern territory around the Khyber pass region, where they make SMLE Rifles and Browning High Power pistols with little more than hacksaws and files. The make AKs the same way (M16s are bit too finely made to be built in their manner). The only way we will end the Afghan war is to back them into a corner where it&#8217;s surrender or die. Some will choose to die, and you have to allow them their wish. The rest, they leave Islam permanently. They get into their cage and behave themselves from then on. If they don&#8217;t you go in and do it all over again. Sooner or later you won&#8217;t have to do it again. </p>
<p>All we are doing now, however, is swatting hornets instead of killing the nest. We lost in Korea because we allowed the Red Chinks a haven where they could rest and regroup. MacArthur was, at the bottom line, fired because he didn&#8217;t want to allow them that. The Congressional hearings on Korea were humiliating for Truman as a result. But, you can&#8217;t leave your enemy a sanctuary and expect to win.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JamesT has spotlighted the key question. As Laos and Cambodia showed, insurgent/guerrilla warfare in which the bad guys have a sanctuary, means that they can yo-yo in and out to fight, retreat, regroup, refit, and fight again--playing their opponents like a violin. The &quot;escalation&quot; game is all theirs--overpowering squads with platoon sized forces; platoons with company sized ones, and company sized relief columns with battalion sized number--fading across the border when we subsequently get REALLY pissed and amass forces in &quot;mass quantities.&quot; (as Beldar would say) to crush the target worthy concentrations.

The ebb and flow, as in Vietnam, can go on for decades.  And when one throws in the cultural mores of the region with otherwise non-involved tribes giving shelter and aid to their &quot;guests&quot; as per tradition,  and with a Pakistan who has minimal control of these border areas on the one hand, but is touchy about it&#039;s international borders on the other (let alone the problem of a nuclear-armed Pakistan walking a tight-rope between pleasing us and losing control--and the nukes--to the religious fundamentalists) one has a nasty brew not easily ameliorated.

(I only hope Obama--or someone in his administration--has read the writings of both Lord Curzon and his biographers. Some things really don&#039;t change much no matter how much time has passed.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JamesT has spotlighted the key question. As Laos and Cambodia showed, insurgent/guerrilla warfare in which the bad guys have a sanctuary, means that they can yo-yo in and out to fight, retreat, regroup, refit, and fight again&#8211;playing their opponents like a violin. The &#8220;escalation&#8221; game is all theirs&#8211;overpowering squads with platoon sized forces; platoons with company sized ones, and company sized relief columns with battalion sized number&#8211;fading across the border when we subsequently get REALLY pissed and amass forces in &#8220;mass quantities.&#8221; (as Beldar would say) to crush the target worthy concentrations.</p>
<p>The ebb and flow, as in Vietnam, can go on for decades.  And when one throws in the cultural mores of the region with otherwise non-involved tribes giving shelter and aid to their &#8220;guests&#8221; as per tradition,  and with a Pakistan who has minimal control of these border areas on the one hand, but is touchy about it&#8217;s international borders on the other (let alone the problem of a nuclear-armed Pakistan walking a tight-rope between pleasing us and losing control&#8211;and the nukes&#8211;to the religious fundamentalists) one has a nasty brew not easily ameliorated.</p>
<p>(I only hope Obama&#8211;or someone in his administration&#8211;has read the writings of both Lord Curzon and his biographers. Some things really don&#8217;t change much no matter how much time has passed.)</p>
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		<title>By: xformed</title>
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		<dc:creator>xformed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember, he did say he&#039;d bomb Pakistan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember, he did say he&#8217;d bomb Pakistan!</p>
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		<title>By: JamesT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question is, can you win a lasting peace in Afghanistan as long as the Taliban has a safe sanctuary to rearm, refit and rest in the tribal areas of Pakistan?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question is, can you win a lasting peace in Afghanistan as long as the Taliban has a safe sanctuary to rearm, refit and rest in the tribal areas of Pakistan?</p>
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		<title>By: ASM826</title>
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		<dc:creator>ASM826</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having chosen to forget 9/11 except as a weepy memorial to the fallen, the MSM and the Dems will never let the our current wars be anyone&#039;s fault but Pr. Bush and VP Cheney. Whatever mistakes, failures, and ultimate retreats or surrenders we experience, it will not be Pr. Obama&#039;s responsibility.

Meanwhile, in the field, the finest military in the history of the world is slowly be consumed and destroyed, it&#039;s equipment worn beyond use, and the troops themselves overwhelmed by the tasking. Anything less than a commitment to victory and a mobilization on a national level will only get us more of the slow attrition we have been watching for 7 years. 

As far as focusing on Afghanistan, Kipling had idea what sort of place Afghanistan is, and what happens there:

If your officer&#039;s dead and the sergeants look white,
Remember it&#039;s ruin to run from a fight:
So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,
And wait for supports like a soldier.

      Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .

When you&#039;re wounded and left on Afghanistan&#039;s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An&#039; go to your Gawd like a soldier...

    Yes, go to your Gawd like a soldier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having chosen to forget 9/11 except as a weepy memorial to the fallen, the MSM and the Dems will never let the our current wars be anyone&#8217;s fault but Pr. Bush and VP Cheney. Whatever mistakes, failures, and ultimate retreats or surrenders we experience, it will not be Pr. Obama&#8217;s responsibility.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, in the field, the finest military in the history of the world is slowly be consumed and destroyed, it&#8217;s equipment worn beyond use, and the troops themselves overwhelmed by the tasking. Anything less than a commitment to victory and a mobilization on a national level will only get us more of the slow attrition we have been watching for 7 years. </p>
<p>As far as focusing on Afghanistan, Kipling had idea what sort of place Afghanistan is, and what happens there:</p>
<p>If your officer&#8217;s dead and the sergeants look white,<br />
Remember it&#8217;s ruin to run from a fight:<br />
So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,<br />
And wait for supports like a soldier.</p>
<p>      Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .</p>
<p>When you&#8217;re wounded and left on Afghanistan&#8217;s plains,<br />
And the women come out to cut up what remains,<br />
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains<br />
An&#8217; go to your Gawd like a soldier&#8230;</p>
<p>    Yes, go to your Gawd like a soldier.</p>
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		<title>By: OldT6Flyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldT6Flyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But any price he suffers will likely be paid for in &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; blood of the brave - whether sooner or later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But any price he suffers will likely be paid for in <i>more</i> blood of the brave &#8211; whether sooner or later.</p>
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