A second hack at getting checked out in that Cardinal RG. On Valentine’s Day. Yeah, I know.
Am I a lucky guy, or what?
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Couldn’t think of a better Valentines Day gift for a guy!
-Well, maybe something else …but certainly second best.
*ignoring Wilko’s comment*
Just come back with another little gift for her and words about what a great wife she is to be okay with you out flying on Valentine’s Day and you’ll be a hero.
Now, what you can arrange with that hero status is up to you…
Didn’t mean to log in as Neighbor, but oh well.
I too am a lucky man to have “Mrs Wilko” these last 32 years and once in a while she tolerates flying but only in a spam can-nothing that pulls G’s.
Today is more important than her birthday. I am armed with jewelry and flowers lest I become relegated to the couch cushions this evening.
A question for those far smarter than I. NTSB now says that the AC in the Buffalo accident impacted in an apparently level attitude, but oriented 180 degrees away from the runway they were approaching.
They further say that the AC had an operating anti-icing system with boots on leading edges of wings, vertical and horizontal stabs, engine inlets, and prop heaters. And that the flight recorder indicates that both stick shaker and stick pusher operated just before impact.
Assuming that I heard all of that right, and that I have correctly interpreted the debris field which appears to be consistant with virtually NO horizontal motion at impact, can one of our resident experts suggest what might have happened?
Stall, spin.
what Airmail said. Used to be, when airplanes were less dense (1920s?) some would recommend putting the thing into a spin on purpose in loss of visibility. The idea being that you’d hit slowly enough that you might survive.
These days, an airplane coming down bottom side first is going to come down hard enough to squash to death everyone involved.
Lex
Don’t get too excited about the RG. When I joined the AF fly club I picked the RG for currency and check ride. Take off ok, climb ok, downwind and the female instructor looks over at me and says “sure is loud”. I replied “yeah, forgot how loud these Cessnas are”. Followed by “sure is loud in here”. yeah I know. “Whys it so loud ya think?”. Dunno, maybe no cabin insulation? “No you dimwit, it’s because you’re downwind at full power!!” To which I responded – and we’re still only doing 120 Kts!!
But now 115 looks good, and the Lance does a good 145.
Good luck! Fly safe. Don’t bounce in that thing.
I get the stall, and I know that ice can build up so quickly that you are bleeding speed very quickly. But the stall speed for a Dash 80 must be +100 kts. With that much forward velocity, even entering a spin, wouldn’t one expect to find a debris field that would extend some distance?
The damage shown on TV seems to be confined to a single home and a single yard in a fairly densely populated neighborhood.
Marine6, I reckon that depends, on all kindsa stuff. We must await more data. So far they’ve just teased us with the scary little scraps.
Marine6, they had half a mile of vertical travel to lose forward velocity.
The orientation to the runway makes sense if it spun. No horizontal motion makes no sense in any regime, including stall.
A spin would have some horizontal component , although it can be very small. With what we see presented here, I would bet icing caused a stall. A spin wouldn’t surprise me. The black box will have recorded the instruments so we’ll know for sure later.
Hope you put the wheels down. Bent props is the most visible, but only the beginning of the horror of wheels up.
Is the 172RG (“Gutless”) the same thing as a Cardinal?
200 horses on a slightly heavier 177. It’s nothing like over-powered in a climb, but it gets going pretty good at cruise.
The Cardinal is also unique for Cessnas with is cantilevered wing. At least you don’t have to climb over wing struts to get inside it….
Lex-will this be the new family station wagon?
Long time commentor AW1 Tim gets an Ace-alanche for a comment he made a Jules.
“The Cardinal is also unique for Cessnas with is cantilevered wing. ”
Not quite, it is the same wing as on the Cessna 210. The Cardinal is unique in having a Piper style sloted stabilator rather than an elevator.
The C-177 has nothing in common with a C-172 except that the wing is on top.
Lex, some people are born lucky, and some work at it. I suspect that you’re in the later class, and that you’ve earned every bit of it. And I also am blessed with someone who understands me and forgives my minor and major transgressions, knowing that it’s always just the two of us against the world…and that ain’t a bad thing.
AW1Tim,
Outstanding display of integrity and forebearance at the coffee shop. Next time I am up your way I’ll give you a heads up. Hear! hear!
Best,
geo6
What geo said!
( I have some Obama-voter key-scratches on the sides of my truck.)
Dang. I shoulda gone to Viet-Nam. I mighta got killt, but then I mighta learnt some uh, “skillz.” I might have to learn how to get all civil-disorderly, at my advanced age. Heck, I don’t even own a rifle of a “voting” caliber.
Hey… surprised to find such a reaction. Absolutely true story. July of 2007. I posted a response over to Ace about it.
Thing is, where I live, it’s a regular occurring thing thanks to the influence of Bowdoin College and their students. Also have the local chapter of the VVAW & their newbie group, the IVAW, the Veterans for Peace, etc. Even ANSWER has a little group of agents. You can always tell them at the rallies and protests because they wear red berets to identify each other in the crowds. Seriously.
But yeah, I have found over the years what buttons to push to get certain reactions. It’s almost like a game sometimes. They don’t even know they’re being played.
Tim,
One has to wonder how old Joshua C. would feel about the peaceniks at Bowdoin these days.
Gen’l Joshua would have verbally torn a strip right off of them. Most amazing man to come out of that bloody war.
AW1, BZ on your handeling of the jerks. I’ve run into a few myself around Brunswick. Sometime this summer I’ll be at our place just over the bridge from Wiscassett and I’d be happy to buy you a cup of coffee, or something a mite stronger.
Marien6 sends
It’d be my pleasure! I look forward to the opportunity to return the favour.
Respects,
AW1 Tim,
When I was stationed at BNAS, letters like this used to inspire me to put fingers to keyboard:
http://www.timesrecord.com/website/main.nsf/news.nsf/0/B062FF12BB64D03985257559005A7C57?Opendocument
My favorite target was Bruce Gagnon from the hilariously named “Global Network against weapons and nuclear power in space.”
Of course, if you really want a run-in with The Locals, wear a NY Yankee hat
Yeah. Sigh.
Welcome to my world. It doesn’t help much that the Times Record is owned and operated by a very left-wing media group. Heck, so is the Portland Press Herald. Virtually all of the media in Maine is controlled by the left.
No doubt the situation will improve AW1 Tim, with legislation incorporating a new and improved Fairness Doctrine!
Lex: Come the new fairness doctrine at some point no doubt extended to the blogsphere you will have to actively recruit more posters from certain quarters of the opinon landscape. While you have a few that can carry the left’s water as needed it wouldn’t be fair to them to carry so much responsibility for rebuttal on their clearly overburdened (by Bush of course!) shoulders….
Oh joy, Cap’n. I can hardly wait to see their take on THAT issue
From the very first Airmaster, all Cessna singles had cantilever wings, up through the 190/195 series. Had real round engines, too.
Struts showed up first on the 120/140/170 models.
A couple elections back I was sitting at the bar in Gordon Biersch in Sandy Eggo next to a guy and his date. She was spouting liberal talking points and railing about GWB. After listening to 20 minutes of crap, I calmly interjected a fact or two to correct her errors. She took the bait, and for the next 20 minutes she incrementally raised her voice rather than reinforcing her argument. I remained calm, and her date was silent, but obviously amused. When she hit about 130 db, the manager ejected her.
She looked at her date and asked, “What are you waiting for?” He handed her a twenty and said, “Here’s cab fare, I haven’t finished my beer.”