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	<title>Comments on: Fishbed Sundown</title>
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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 20:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I&#039;m a zoomie, GOT to say ANOTHER amen to both b2 &amp; Chunk on all counts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;m a zoomie, GOT to say ANOTHER amen to both b2 &amp; Chunk on all counts!</p>
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		<title>By: Chunk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chunk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, B2....Viking was the Rodney Dangerfield of the Air Wing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, B2&#8230;.Viking was the Rodney Dangerfield of the Air Wing.</p>
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		<title>By: b2</title>
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		<dc:creator>b2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harrumphh

Friggin &quot;Led sled Fishbed&quot; Sundown gets more press than the Viking going away a couple weeks ago from our own formerly capable airwing of just a decade ago...  

Figures. ; -)

No BAMS for another decade minimum, P-3&#039;s in the crapper, P-8 wishful thinking, JSF looking like a bridge too far and an Obama admimnistration to boot..man on&#039;man we are in a world o&#039;hurt. The train is off the tracks and impact is pending.

b2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harrumphh</p>
<p>Friggin &#8220;Led sled Fishbed&#8221; Sundown gets more press than the Viking going away a couple weeks ago from our own formerly capable airwing of just a decade ago&#8230;  </p>
<p>Figures. ; -)</p>
<p>No BAMS for another decade minimum, P-3&#8242;s in the crapper, P-8 wishful thinking, JSF looking like a bridge too far and an Obama admimnistration to boot..man on&#8217;man we are in a world o&#8217;hurt. The train is off the tracks and impact is pending.</p>
<p>b2</p>
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		<title>By: XBradTC</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flit, I&#039;ll defer to your position, as I suspect you&#039;ve studied it more.</description>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 04:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, SSJ.  

For those that don&#039;t want to wade through the ACIG site (which is generally very good) data, here&#039;s the condensed version (and my memory was slightly clouded):

For the period 1970-1973, USN air combat victories: 22.  Losses: 5.  Kill ratio: 4.5:1.  

USAF ratio in the same period was actually lower than I remembered, it was 1.8:1.  

During the period 1965-1968, the numbers were USN: 36 kills, 14 losses, ratio 2.6:1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, SSJ.  </p>
<p>For those that don&#8217;t want to wade through the ACIG site (which is generally very good) data, here&#8217;s the condensed version (and my memory was slightly clouded):</p>
<p>For the period 1970-1973, USN air combat victories: 22.  Losses: 5.  Kill ratio: 4.5:1.  </p>
<p>USAF ratio in the same period was actually lower than I remembered, it was 1.8:1.  </p>
<p>During the period 1965-1968, the numbers were USN: 36 kills, 14 losses, ratio 2.6:1.</p>
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		<title>By: fliterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>fliterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 02:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#16.2.1 SteeljawS -  Thank you for the links.  That is the information I was looking for.

#17 XBrad  -  Cunningham was known to often embellish his résumé in his many interviews.  Although he was obviously assigned as a FWS instructor following his kills, I tend to agree with    Byron    that he did not &quot;officially&quot; attend FWS earlier.

Wilcox in &lt;i&gt; Sream of Eagles&lt;/i&gt; tells us that while he was stashed for a while in the RAG, he intently studied NFWS tactics and performance publications, and may have flown back-seat as an observer.  Later in the turnaround between his cruises, I believe another pilot was selected by his squadron to attend FWS.  

In fact it is my understanding that his requests to augment from Reserve to Regular Navy had been denied, and he was to be involuntarily separated from active duty at the end of that  cruise, when his initial reserve commitment was up.   Of course all that was  later  OBE and naturally changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#16.2.1 SteeljawS &#8211;  Thank you for the links.  That is the information I was looking for.</p>
<p>#17 XBrad  &#8211;  Cunningham was known to often embellish his résumé in his many interviews.  Although he was obviously assigned as a FWS instructor following his kills, I tend to agree with    Byron    that he did not &#8220;officially&#8221; attend FWS earlier.</p>
<p>Wilcox in <i> Sream of Eagles</i> tells us that while he was stashed for a while in the RAG, he intently studied NFWS tactics and performance publications, and may have flown back-seat as an observer.  Later in the turnaround between his cruises, I believe another pilot was selected by his squadron to attend FWS.  </p>
<p>In fact it is my understanding that his requests to augment from Reserve to Regular Navy had been denied, and he was to be involuntarily separated from active duty at the end of that  cruise, when his initial reserve commitment was up.   Of course all that was  later  OBE and naturally changed.</p>
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