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		<title>By: Marianne Matthews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marianne Matthews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before &#039;they&#039; come for me to kill me [I&#039;m going to be 81 in June] I think I should remind you folks that back in the early years of the Clinton administration, we, the voters,  voted down the Hillarycare plan.  Obama&#039;s &quot;universal&quot; health care plan is the evil child of Hillarycare, with some extra flourishes and even more toxic additions.  I suspect we&#039;ll have to drive a silver stake through its heart this time, the way they used to do with vampires.

As the old song says, &quot;It&#039;s dead, but it won&#039;t lie down.&quot;

Marianne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before &#8216;they&#8217; come for me to kill me [I'm going to be 81 in June] I think I should remind you folks that back in the early years of the Clinton administration, we, the voters,  voted down the Hillarycare plan.  Obama&#8217;s &#8220;universal&#8221; health care plan is the evil child of Hillarycare, with some extra flourishes and even more toxic additions.  I suspect we&#8217;ll have to drive a silver stake through its heart this time, the way they used to do with vampires.</p>
<p>As the old song says, &#8220;It&#8217;s dead, but it won&#8217;t lie down.&#8221;</p>
<p>Marianne</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2009/03/18/the-pride-of-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-343216</link>
		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS--And as my wife would be the first to inform you, I&#039;ve got the &quot;mindless&quot; part down pat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS&#8211;And as my wife would be the first to inform you, I&#8217;ve got the &#8220;mindless&#8221; part down pat.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2009/03/18/the-pride-of-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-343211</link>
		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max/

Still checkin&#039; in daily on old John C. Rays Blog &quot;Socialized medicine&quot;--or does it force you to up the blood pressure meds too much? Don&#039;t you just love his umbrella coverage of latest daily outrages in GB, Canada, NZ and AUS all in one convenient place?  For my money is the best one-stop shopping around. (get some overlap
coverage in his blogs &quot;Eye on Britain&quot; and Australian Politics&quot; too...)                     

I found that until I started monitoring his place consistently I had NO IDEA the true extent of the horror stories. I must confess tho, now I&#039;ve become so damn jaded to the seemingly never-ending line of the  latest examples of the idiocies/human tragedies
that these well intentioned (see: Hell; roads, paved.) socialist systems produce that it&#039;s all beginning to be one vast blur by now as I skim over the latest examples--almost can&#039;t stand to click on the site any more. Guess I need some R&amp;R from the culture wars, perhaps some mindless, drunken, cheap sleazy sex-- but then I keep remembering I&#039;m married,
and while I can handle the drunken part all right, it sure doesn&#039;t come cheap!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max/</p>
<p>Still checkin&#8217; in daily on old John C. Rays Blog &#8220;Socialized medicine&#8221;&#8211;or does it force you to up the blood pressure meds too much? Don&#8217;t you just love his umbrella coverage of latest daily outrages in GB, Canada, NZ and AUS all in one convenient place?  For my money is the best one-stop shopping around. (get some overlap<br />
coverage in his blogs &#8220;Eye on Britain&#8221; and Australian Politics&#8221; too&#8230;)                     </p>
<p>I found that until I started monitoring his place consistently I had NO IDEA the true extent of the horror stories. I must confess tho, now I&#8217;ve become so damn jaded to the seemingly never-ending line of the  latest examples of the idiocies/human tragedies<br />
that these well intentioned (see: Hell; roads, paved.) socialist systems produce that it&#8217;s all beginning to be one vast blur by now as I skim over the latest examples&#8211;almost can&#8217;t stand to click on the site any more. Guess I need some R&amp;R from the culture wars, perhaps some mindless, drunken, cheap sleazy sex&#8211; but then I keep remembering I&#8217;m married,<br />
and while I can handle the drunken part all right, it sure doesn&#8217;t come cheap!  <img src='http://www.neptunuslex.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2009/03/18/the-pride-of-britain/comment-page-1/#comment-343204</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, Babs, looks like you got me pegged. Except for one tiny thing. Unfortunately for me, I&#039;m not that young; actually I suspect that I am fairly close (although probably a little bit younger) to your age.  With two teenage kids... ack!

Although I won&#039;t instigate a fight, I will defend our system (it&#039;s far from perfect, but I will defend it) to the death, but the British system be a different story. I really don&#039;t understand how the NHS works except from what I&#039;ve read online and I have one friend who lives there. And frankly, it sounds like it sucks.  Sorry if that sounds hypocritical, like I say my knowledge of their system is far from first-hand but I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever heard anybody even try to defend it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, Babs, looks like you got me pegged. Except for one tiny thing. Unfortunately for me, I&#8217;m not that young; actually I suspect that I am fairly close (although probably a little bit younger) to your age.  With two teenage kids&#8230; ack!</p>
<p>Although I won&#8217;t instigate a fight, I will defend our system (it&#8217;s far from perfect, but I will defend it) to the death, but the British system be a different story. I really don&#8217;t understand how the NHS works except from what I&#8217;ve read online and I have one friend who lives there. And frankly, it sounds like it sucks.  Sorry if that sounds hypocritical, like I say my knowledge of their system is far from first-hand but I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever heard anybody even try to defend it!</p>
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		<title>By: OldT6Flyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>OldT6Flyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly the rationing of health care has already started in this country.  I was talking with my mother (who is 83) about a friend of hers the same age that lost her doctor to retirement.  She was unable to find another Doctor to take her as a patient due to the the various medical groups self-imposed limits on the percentage of medicare patients they could accept due to onerous paperwork and limited compensation for services rendered.  She had a cardiac problem and after admission to UVA hospital for surgery had to enlist the Doctors there to insist that a group take her in for post operative care.  But they would only deal with her cardiac issues and not any other issues.  While not wealthy she is solidly middle class and has &quot;played by the rules&quot; her entire life.

I suspect her case is not an isolated one and is a harbinger of things to come.

Not a lot to look forward to growing old it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly the rationing of health care has already started in this country.  I was talking with my mother (who is 83) about a friend of hers the same age that lost her doctor to retirement.  She was unable to find another Doctor to take her as a patient due to the the various medical groups self-imposed limits on the percentage of medicare patients they could accept due to onerous paperwork and limited compensation for services rendered.  She had a cardiac problem and after admission to UVA hospital for surgery had to enlist the Doctors there to insist that a group take her in for post operative care.  But they would only deal with her cardiac issues and not any other issues.  While not wealthy she is solidly middle class and has &#8220;played by the rules&#8221; her entire life.</p>
<p>I suspect her case is not an isolated one and is a harbinger of things to come.</p>
<p>Not a lot to look forward to growing old it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: babs</title>
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		<dc:creator>babs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve probably said this here before... I took a trip to Scotland a few years ago and the NHS was something you definately did not want to discuss over dinner. I was with middle class people and they were so soundly against the state of their health care that all eatting stopped and an extreme conversation ensued regarding the failed health plan in the U.K.
I understand that Michelle will defend the Canadian system to her last breath. I also know that regular people feel trapped in the U.K. and are so anxious about their health care that they can hardly contain themselves.
One person told me that after waiting months for his 15 minutes in front of the Dr. that he became tongue tied and actually couldn&#039;t talk to the person.
I understand that Michelle is a young person with young children. That is the best case scenario for socialised health care. We were insured for a short while by Kaiser. With two young children it was a joy to go into the clinic and have the children diagnosed with an ear infection, have tests performormed and walk out with the antibiotic.
An elderly woman I knew had her husband suffer a heart attack while under Kaiser&#039;s care. She told me the bad news was that Kaiser would not cover a lot of his treatments. The good news was that he sufferred the heart attack outside of their treatment range...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve probably said this here before&#8230; I took a trip to Scotland a few years ago and the NHS was something you definately did not want to discuss over dinner. I was with middle class people and they were so soundly against the state of their health care that all eatting stopped and an extreme conversation ensued regarding the failed health plan in the U.K.<br />
I understand that Michelle will defend the Canadian system to her last breath. I also know that regular people feel trapped in the U.K. and are so anxious about their health care that they can hardly contain themselves.<br />
One person told me that after waiting months for his 15 minutes in front of the Dr. that he became tongue tied and actually couldn&#8217;t talk to the person.<br />
I understand that Michelle is a young person with young children. That is the best case scenario for socialised health care. We were insured for a short while by Kaiser. With two young children it was a joy to go into the clinic and have the children diagnosed with an ear infection, have tests performormed and walk out with the antibiotic.<br />
An elderly woman I knew had her husband suffer a heart attack while under Kaiser&#8217;s care. She told me the bad news was that Kaiser would not cover a lot of his treatments. The good news was that he sufferred the heart attack outside of their treatment range&#8230;</p>
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