Credo
"Sign on, young man, and sail with me. The stature of our homeland is no more than the measure of ourselves. Our job is to keep her free. Our will is to keep the torch of freedom burning for all. To this solemn purpose we call on the young, the brave, the strong, and the free. Heed my call, Come to the sea. Come Sail with me." -- John Paul Jones
"Pardon him, Theodotus; he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature" --George Bernard Shaw, "Caesar and Cleopatra"
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music."--Friedrich Nietzsche
"A kind Providence has placed in our breasts a hatred of the unjust and cruel, in order that we may preserve ourselves from cruelty and injustice. They who bear cruelty, are accomplices in it. The pretended gentleness which excludes that charitable rancour, produces an indifference which is half an approbation. They never will love where they ought to love, who do not hate where they ought to hate."--Edmund Burke
“You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”--General Sir Charles Napier
"Μολὼν λαβέ" -- Leonidas
"Blogito Ergo Sum" -- Neptunus Lex
That happened (or should I say didn’t happen) here at Holloman. This isn’t a video of a T38 “killing” a Raptor (at least I have it from pretty good authority knowing the people involved)
It was unprofessional in the extreme for the Laughlin guys to post this on you tube though.
Message: “Embedding discontinued upon request”.
Guess someone got cold feet.
Their commander probably kicked them in the junk.
You know the first time the actual F22 pilot who was supposedly “killed” in this video heard of this was from me (and I first heard of it from this site). Shared the link with him. He was quite surprised.
I think that the shot that killed the F-22 came out of Washington. Too bad, nice airplane.
It’s still up. Just not embedded on the link Lex provided.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXmDj3mFrXQ
Most of the F22 pilots at Holloman are dual qualified to fly both the F22 and the T38. T38s are cheaper to train with, so rather than having mass exercises with six F22s, they fly T38s as adversaries (usually about 4 or more versus one or two F22s).
But they always arrange for the T38s to hold a significant advantage. For example, the F22s will be short on weapons, or they program a lot of SAM fire from the ground that they have to dodge, ect. Even so, as of yet, no T38s have scored a kill on an F22. But if and when they do it will be due in large part to the vast advantages they’re given in these fights, as well as a good share of luck. And that kill will probably be made by a pilot with a lot of experience and hours in both planes.
So this is like fighting the Egyptians… after the fight is over they stick their nose back on you to “get a kill” to boast in the Ready Room? All the reason to drop your hook after the knock it off…
If that was a kill, it looks that the F-22 (if that was it) was either (1) unaware of the T-38 or (2) had already killed the T-38 and was flowing to another fight. Either way, level 2 circle flow in a T-38 vs Raptor shouldn’t end up like this (or any flow T-38 vs Raptor).
But hey, F-22′s are good, but they aren’t invincible…