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"A kind Providence has placed in our breasts a hatred of the unjust and cruel, in order that we may preserve ourselves from cruelty and injustice. They who bear cruelty, are accomplices in it. The pretended gentleness which excludes that charitable rancour, produces an indifference which is half an approbation. They never will love where they ought to love, who do not hate where they ought to hate."--Edmund Burke
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I have never held the illusion that the ACLU was anything other than staunchly anti-USA. As they continue to make their money off the government… in effect getting paid to bring lawsuits against the people of the United States, they will be self-serving antagonists against freedom.
This story: no surprise. Dissapointing, but not unexpected.
Many don’t know the ACLU began as a communist front, and it has never gotten beyond that. It began as an organization whose intent was to turn the Bill of Rights into a suicide pact. That intent has never changed.
#2 QM – “Many don’t know the ACLU began as a communist front, and it has never gotten beyond that.”
Yes it has. In 1940 the ACLU officially kicked the Commies out of the organization, and have since repeatedly precluded their efforts from ever returning…. especially since their ideologies are at odds.
Ironically, the Vlolokh Conspiracy has more.
” It began as an organization whose intent was to turn the Bill of Rights into a suicide pact. That intent has never changed.”
Huh? Quite the contrary. Perhaps you need to read up on their unyielding support of the Bill of Rights here.
And no, I am not a member.
Well, they support parts of the Bill of Rights. Most of it, but not all of it.
” It began as an organization whose intent was to turn the Bill of Rights into a suicide pact. That intent has never changed.”
Huh? Quite the contrary. Perhaps you need to read up on their unyielding support of the Bill of Rights here.
Fliterman, I think you missed the point. He’s arguing that they do support the Bill of Rights because they think they can successfully turn it into a suicide pact. I’m not going to come down on either side except to say that I find some of the issues/cases the ACLU supports to be nearly incomprehensible at best.
But I think you missed the point…
Yep, he missed the point. Not surprising for the Fliterman, however.
Just because they said they kicked the commies ouit, however, doesn’t mean the original intent isn’t operative. Unfortunately, it is.
Ask them about their support of the 2nd amendment. To say they hate it would be a bit weak.
Ahh, but what the ACLU “says” versus what they actually “do” are quite different animals.
Kinda like feminist groups.
Liberal/socialist/progressive activities they usually support; conservative, not so much.
Well, let’s face it , the commies were quite the siren song in the early part of the 20th century, and in fact the May Day holiday some folks took was in honor of a massacre in Chicago of workers.
That said, it’s funny that America, where it happened, is one of the few places where workers day isn’t a holiday.
It would not suprise me that the ACLU were only after their storied goal of protecting civil liberties, the Constitution be danmed and devil take the hind-most.
They have their mission. If you happen to be in the way? Well, collateral damage has happened.
Wouldn’t piss down their throats if their guts were on fire, personally.
Well, let’s face it , the commies were quite the siren song in the early part of the 20th century, and in fact the May Day holiday some folks took was in honor of a massacre in Chicago of workers.
That said, it’s funny that America, where it happened, is one of the few places where workers day isn’t a holiday.
It would not suprise me that the ACLU were only after their storied goal of protecting civil liberties, the Constitution be danmed and devil take the hind-most.
They have their mission. If you happen to be in the way? Well, collateral damage has happened.
Wouldn’t piss down their throats if their guts were on fire, personally.
– Max
I think they should release all of the photos of Lydie England and her bunkmates. Have a big announcement that we’re ‘releasing the photos against our better judgement but the ACLU wins’. Then release them in all their glory. No one will die over that, except perhaps Lydie’s mom of embarassment. It will make tabloid headlines next to the octuplet mom for a few weeks, then it will be a non-story and the public will tire of the issue. Problem solved.
As far as do one dying over it, I wouldn’t be too sure. Read the link–I know the guy who wrote it and he knows what he’s talking about, unfortunately.
At the conference I recently attended, BG Oates (currently in Iraq) said that in Iraq they were concerned but not alarmed about the release; they believed that over the years they’ve shown the Iraqis that people like the idiots at Abu Ghraib were not representative of the American soldier, and so they didn’t expect a significant violent reaction to the pictures.
At this point, all we can do is hope he’s right. And he may be, in regards to Iraq. But I have a very bad feeling that doesn’t hold true for the rest of the fertile ground for terrorist recruitment.
Thought I’d add a link to photographic evidence of real torture, which you’ll likely never see on US headline news and groups like the ACLU have no interest in:
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/05/01/2009050100328.html
Liz/
The ACLU, etc., have no interest in things like your link reveals because they know they can exert no influence over such people. Only societies with a social conscious and a proper sense of shame can be affected by hectoring from the likes of the ACLU, Amnesty Int., etc. These organizations in their present form are all about easily attacked tgts of opportunity rather than opposing true evil.
I think that -for once- fliterman is halfway right about this.
That is to say, I think that most members or supporters of the ACLU (the latter would include the Instapundit) believe the organization is genuinely dedicated to supporting civil rights in this country.
The problem arises, rather, from the fact that a very specific form of hyper-civilized (i.e. someone in a very protected world) liberal has come to dominate the organization. To this sort of person, owning or (worse yet) using a gun is the act of a violent person. In a very narrow sense, they are correct, since a gun has only one function: to put holes into people and other things. The fact that this might be occasionally necessary is just outside their world view.
This, I think, explains why the ACLU can only count to nine…
The 10th is also anathema to them. So 8 is about as high as they get.
They’ve never changed since their founding. They are one of the most dangerous overt organizations on the left. Combine with the fascists they get on the benches of our country, and you have pseudo-legal death. Pseudo because rule of law is their least concern.