This has been the primary source of information. At no time, did I say, McCain was responsible for the fire. In fact, according to the reports that I have read, show the first Zuni Missle hitting McCain’s A-4 Skyhawk’s fuel tank. The missle hit it with kinetic energy, no detonation. This hit ripped a major hole in the tank, dumping the fuel on the flight deck. The fuel is ignited by fire from the tail of the rocket. Take the time to read the report. This shows some of the official views, from the Navy. NASA started doing studies on this Nation’s Systemic Failures, this is one of them.

I certainly do agree that both parties created the problem but the fact of the matter is the ones most responsible for it are still at the helm.

I will still insist that ‘The Won’ has his finger prints on the spending bills passed before he became president and more directly afterward when his signature can be seen as evidence on the documents signatory lines making it law.

As far as me admitting when I’m wrong — you missed it. Did just that on Monday.

@Scott, I don’t remember saying, “McCain started the Forrestal fire.” From what I understand, he was on the flight deck of the Forrestal, a missile misfired. At the time, his feet were actually touching the flight deck, there was no way for him to intentionally or accidentally set it off. After the fire, he was transferred to the Oriskany, where he served until he was shot down. The rest is history.

@Gmac, only if it actually improves the security of this Nation, here.

@davreg, you raise two points, let’s start with you second clause first. I would submit to you to go to the last sentence of the first paragraph. “Any choice we make will suck big time.” It does not justify it, but it is still fact, in my view.

On the first part, you proved me wrong, George W. Bush served his time at Houston for his Active Texas Air National Guard. He then moved to Birmingham, Alabama to serve his Inactive Reserve Time. He received an Honorable Discharge.

@To All: davreg and Scott were right to challenge on facts. On the first part of davreg’s challenge, the facts required that I admit that I was wrong. This is how we learn. The big questions become something like this. What about you? Are you going to admit when you’re wrong?

V/R Grumpy

Anyone familiar with the National Guard also knows that what Dubya was allowed was not uncommon in the NG.

Personally, I’d like to chose “none of the above.” The left never allows such things when it’s done for our own good. If you don’t think it is for your own good, just ask and they will tell you it’s so, and that will settle it for anyone as insane as they.

So Grumpy, maybe you can explain the actual spending that he both voted on as a senator and signed into law as president doesn’t equal what the actual legislation states it does?