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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: Quartermaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quartermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The airspace denial mission will still be there, and Close air support requires more than a UAV can normally carry. Pilot&#039;s butts will still be in the cockpit for the foreseeable future.

The ability to linger for many hours, as one poster above pointed out, makes them very useful for taking out certain targets when you have to watch some point on the ground for long periods. But most aviation mission will still require putting pilots in jeopardy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The airspace denial mission will still be there, and Close air support requires more than a UAV can normally carry. Pilot&#8217;s butts will still be in the cockpit for the foreseeable future.</p>
<p>The ability to linger for many hours, as one poster above pointed out, makes them very useful for taking out certain targets when you have to watch some point on the ground for long periods. But most aviation mission will still require putting pilots in jeopardy.</p>
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		<title>By: Quartermaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quartermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Virgil, if ACORN runs things they might let us codgers fly again. Of course, O-clubs are about gone, so it might be a huge drag after all.

Seriously, The quote I take away from the article, which, I think, is one of the most important,

&quot;Today, fewer than one in a hundred serve in the military, and as the machines take over and that flesh-and-blood burden shrinks even more, the citizenry will disengage more and more.&quot;

This is a a very unhealthy thing. We already have very serious problems with the civilian populace&#039;s disconnection from military service and the obligations of citizenship. Such a thing brought Rome to empire, then dissolution. It looks like we are doing far faster than Rome did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Virgil, if ACORN runs things they might let us codgers fly again. Of course, O-clubs are about gone, so it might be a huge drag after all.</p>
<p>Seriously, The quote I take away from the article, which, I think, is one of the most important,</p>
<p>&#8220;Today, fewer than one in a hundred serve in the military, and as the machines take over and that flesh-and-blood burden shrinks even more, the citizenry will disengage more and more.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is a a very unhealthy thing. We already have very serious problems with the civilian populace&#8217;s disconnection from military service and the obligations of citizenship. Such a thing brought Rome to empire, then dissolution. It looks like we are doing far faster than Rome did.</p>
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		<title>By: virgil xenophon</title>
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		<dc:creator>virgil xenophon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 15:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John/
&quot;If only ACORN made aircraft....&quot;

God, what an insight! If we let ACORN run things we&#039;ll have a 13 million man force and 150 Ftr Wings!  (Now about that personnel quality and QC on the production line.....hummmm...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John/<br />
&#8220;If only ACORN made aircraft&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>God, what an insight! If we let ACORN run things we&#8217;ll have a 13 million man force and 150 Ftr Wings!  (Now about that personnel quality and QC on the production line&#8230;..hummmm&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Drew C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excerpt from a letter I wrote to &lt;i&gt;Navy Times&lt;/i&gt; not too long ago concerning the flailing about in that publication over the training of enlisted UAV pilots:

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   Navy policymakers in the Pentagon are seemingly unable to determine in which area Fleet needs lie relative to unmanned aviation.  The efficacy of initiatives such as Broad Area Maritime Surveillance cannot be denied (once they reach a mature state), however significant questions remain as to exactly what Firescout will accomplish.  The Pacific and Atlantic HSL squadrons are slowly being converted to use the MH-60R.  The simple question of what shipboard CO will happily accept a halving of their manned SAR and ASW assets to make deck space for a UAV with no radar capabilities, no proven ability to carry weapons, and the same mission radius as a 60B or 60R is one that seems not to have been asked.  Beyond that, no one seems to remember that the Navy has been down this road before with the Vietnam-era DASH system.  One, I might add, that relied almost entirely on manual control and saw FC&#039;s behind the sticks.  These systems were taken out of commission in favor of the SH-2 Seasprite and LAMPS Mk I.
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The &lt;i&gt;Esquire&lt;/i&gt; article is okay, a little wordy in spots but as Virg so succinctly put it above it doesn&#039;t come close to touching the thorny end of the plant: what we are expecting to do with unmanned systems in the future when you still need people on the ground.  Additionally, what I was getting at here is that although the UAV has a place in the overall force it isn&#039;t the panacea that some would make it out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excerpt from a letter I wrote to <i>Navy Times</i> not too long ago concerning the flailing about in that publication over the training of enlisted UAV pilots:</p>
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   Navy policymakers in the Pentagon are seemingly unable to determine in which area Fleet needs lie relative to unmanned aviation.  The efficacy of initiatives such as Broad Area Maritime Surveillance cannot be denied (once they reach a mature state), however significant questions remain as to exactly what Firescout will accomplish.  The Pacific and Atlantic HSL squadrons are slowly being converted to use the MH-60R.  The simple question of what shipboard CO will happily accept a halving of their manned SAR and ASW assets to make deck space for a UAV with no radar capabilities, no proven ability to carry weapons, and the same mission radius as a 60B or 60R is one that seems not to have been asked.  Beyond that, no one seems to remember that the Navy has been down this road before with the Vietnam-era DASH system.  One, I might add, that relied almost entirely on manual control and saw FC&#8217;s behind the sticks.  These systems were taken out of commission in favor of the SH-2 Seasprite and LAMPS Mk I.
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<p>The <i>Esquire</i> article is okay, a little wordy in spots but as Virg so succinctly put it above it doesn&#8217;t come close to touching the thorny end of the plant: what we are expecting to do with unmanned systems in the future when you still need people on the ground.  Additionally, what I was getting at here is that although the UAV has a place in the overall force it isn&#8217;t the panacea that some would make it out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: G-man</title>
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		<dc:creator>G-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virg ole buddy, grab a bottle of Old Grand Dad and head to the porch. And appreciate that your stories of &quot;there I was ...&quot; will always have more drama than the dronies can ever have.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin.

Bob Dylan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virg ole buddy, grab a bottle of Old Grand Dad and head to the porch. And appreciate that your stories of &#8220;there I was &#8230;&#8221; will always have more drama than the dronies can ever have.</p>
<p>The line it is drawn<br />
The curse it is cast<br />
The slow one now<br />
Will later be fast<br />
As the present now<br />
Will later be past<br />
The order is<br />
Rapidly fadin.<br />
And the first one now<br />
Will later be last<br />
For the times they are a-changin.</p>
<p>Bob Dylan</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, I think Virg has nailed it.  The bean counters won this round of the acquisition wars.  Not on the benefits to be delivered, but the cost of what can be afforded.

If only ACORN made aircraft...

We need more of both manned and unmanned, and boats to put them on, big or small.

But we get healthcare reform that will bankrupt us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I think Virg has nailed it.  The bean counters won this round of the acquisition wars.  Not on the benefits to be delivered, but the cost of what can be afforded.</p>
<p>If only ACORN made aircraft&#8230;</p>
<p>We need more of both manned and unmanned, and boats to put them on, big or small.</p>
<p>But we get healthcare reform that will bankrupt us.</p>
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