Turns out this whole Fort Hood thing – apart from being a senseless and shocking human tragedy – also creates a problem for our president, according to the New York Times:
Mr. Obama has made it a goal of his presidency to repair relations with Muslims around the world; in a major speech in Cairo this year, he called for a “new beginning” with the Muslim world. The shootings at Fort Hood , however, pose a different problem for the president, by shining a spotlight on the tensions Muslims feel inside the United States.
The poor dears.
I dearly hope we can avoid any future such tension inspiring rampages.
Mark Steyn, being a less enlightened sort, sees things differently:
Even if you are concerned that it would be terribly unfair if all Muslims were to be tarred by Major Hasan’s brush, it is, to put it at its mildest, the grossest bad taste to default every single time within minutes to the position that what’s of most interest about an actual atrocity with real victims is that it may provoke an entirely hypothetical atrocity with entirely hypothetical victims.
Racist.
[...] Neptunus Lex: Damned nuisance, this Fort Hood business. A real fly in Obama’s Islamic ointment. [...]
I’m sick of hearing how this tragedy is going to call problems for muslims, the President, or anyone else. If it does too damn bad. The ones it seems to really have caused a problem for is the victims and their families – the actual victims not the theoretical ones. As for the other potential victims if they would stop wallowing in victimhood and start condemning those who are in any way sympathetic to Islamic bullshit them I predict they would have nothing to fear. It simply has to start with their teachings. I was taught that allegiance to my faith did not create a conflict with being true to my country. The whole render unto Caesar bit. Obviously that isn’t what’s taught in your local Mosque and I’ve yet to hear anyone of that faith explain that this latest jerkoffs interpretation of his faith’s teachings isn’t the way, the truth, and the light.
This – “oh this is so bad” for all the damn muslims BS is getting to me. There are 12 people dead and 40 so wounded that deserve a hell of a lot more concern than anyone else. As for the President – he made his own bed going around pissing all over this country trying to score points. If some people remember next time he shows up on a ballot – too damn bad.
T6’s sentiments echo my own. The progressives have so strangled us with there PC malarkey that everyone is now afraid to call things what they are.
Until muslims show a willingness to police their own, they won’t find any sympathy from me.
I agree there isn’t enough policing among themselves, but I read something very refreshing and encouraging along those lines today. Apparently a local Imam in Fort Hood found Hasan so worrisome that he refused to allow him to take a lay leadership role in the mosque and even told him, “There’s something wrong with you.” Unfortunately, the Imam’s concern didn’t rise to the level of informing anyone…
OldT6/
Now, now, we’re going to have to schedule you into anger mgt class. I can plainly see you clearly have some “issues” with our Muslim brethren. Some one from the State Central Psych facility will soon be calling to schedule you in.
Have a nice PC day!
Vx – you may be right. I have been managing my anger over this issue for too long. Suppressing my feelings over this has caused all manner of issues for me. I’m thinking that speaking my mind more clearly on the subject at every opportunity is perhaps the best therapy.
My “tolerance” for the intolerable is coming to a well deserved end.
Feeling better already. Only way I could possible feel better is to try Lex’s “oh so special” Hendricks Gin or whatever its called. With a lime slice as I like my slices a little on the tart side. Cucumbers give me gas and one has to draw the line somewhere.
No, no, OldT6, Dr. Quartermaster has just the therapy for you. How would you like a position on the firing squad to execute this treasonous miscreant? I assure you, it is very cathartic and relaxing.
Frankly, I agree with Jerry Pournelle on this, Hasan is a treasonous “you know what.” He certainly deserves to go to the post, and I hope that’s what he gets.
Where do I sign…?
Make it a national lottery. Think of the revenue!
You know, Quartermaster, we could kill two birds with one stone here, so to speak.
(Haw!) (Haw!) (Haw!) (snork!). A little firing squad humor.. Ummm…
In cases of capital crime the executions have traditionally been performed in public, both as a deterrent to future criminals but also as proof to the citizens assembled that the State has performed its obligation of protecting them and punishing transgressors. Used to be quite a spectacle, actually. In my own state public hangings in the town square were attended by families from as far away as a three or four day ride by horse a buggy or wagon.
In these modern times, however, television and internet video has replaced much of the public exposure our government institutions have had with its citizens. Therefore, it makes perfect sense to assign exclusive rights to televise the execution to PBS, the only publicly-funded television network and one that reaches practically every location in the United States.
This also allows us to change the whole public broadcasting model of operation, making a significant reduction in government expenditures *and* ensuring I’ll get to listen to Car Talk and watch Red Green without any more interruptions begging for donations. Instead pledges go for the form of execution and, of the winning form, the top contributor gets the option of throwing the switch, pulling the trigger, what-have-you.
So, I pledge $100 for hanging, Quartermaster pledges $200 for electric chair, OldT6 pledges %500 for firing squad and as the winning form gets the option of being one who performs the execution.
Blackeagle said it, just *think* of the revenue! Do it for public broadcasting! Do it for no more pledge drives! Do it, for your country!
(I actually wrote my congressman with this thought a couple of decades ago. Never heard back… Maybe I should have made it a letter to the editor?)
– Max
Can we please go back to the Pershing Method? I believe it would stop this in it’s tracks.
I second the motion.
All in favor say ‘aye’…
Islam, grab a mop and start cleaning. You made this mess, you clean it up. You won’t like the way we clean it up. Your choice.
Never fear, the /b/tards at Encyclopedia Dramatica are on the case!
See: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Fort_Hood
T6 and Buckskins … As far as PC and multiculturalism go, do what I did. On my 75th birthday, I officially gave myself permission to abjure PC and multiculturalism forever after. Presto! A great sense of peace descended on me and I’ve been happier ever since. Political correctness and multiculturalism are the enemies of common sense. And the older you get, the more you’ll need whatever common sense you have left.
Marianne
Marianne,
It seems like you’ve garnered enough common sense to last you two lifetimes.
And the CIC, Resident Obama, is reportedly relaxing this weekend at Camp David instead visiting Ft. Hood. I suspect he wouldn’t be all that welcome but he (unfortunately) is the CIC. Seems like when it’s not about him and the event can’t be carefully controlled he’s simply not that interested. He won’t be in DC on Veteran’s Day to lay a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns, but he is stopping at Elmendorf AFB on his way to Asia where he might give a “shout out” to the Eskimo leaders.
I’m getting grumpy and sarcastic.
No, the current CIC didn’t visit, but Former Pres. Bush and Laura did so, visiting with the wounded and the families. They didn’t have any photographers traipsing around after them either.
I so miss having patriotic, compassionate ADULTS as our leaders. W and Laura are class and never care about the blasted photo-ops.
Yesterday was a tough one. Grumpy. Ft. Hood events hanging like a cloud inside my head. I like Marianne’s idea: PC and multi-cultural foo foo is dead for me.
Being a parent of three Army family members (son-in-law joined as a Chaplain this past summer and is assigned to… MP Battalion at Ft. Lewis), I ache down deep for the families of the dead and wounded soldiers. I don’t want to be “in that number”, who would, but they must be. The country doesn’t seem to have awakened to the pain, even now… we need to move on, to have closure, but nobody is leading us out of the morass. Betrayal like this hurts us all. Where is the leadership here?
Used to live near a former WW2 Japanese relocation camp and I wouldn’t want that again. How about just giving them Detroit? Yea! Let’s give ‘em Detroit… there are so many ways we don’t need it and then we’ll know where they are, where they belong. Oh, well… not gonna’ happen. I know, but it is a fun thing to think about. It would be “some” kind of closure.
Detroit. I’m sure that would bring a Supreme Court case arguing cruel and unusual. Maybe South side of Chicago, a neighborhood known for the PC of its most famous resident.
Sorry, Peter, but I’ve never been too keen on this whole “closure” idea, nor on grieving. It’s not as if I can bury my parents and grandparents or attend funerals of friends and buddies and in some ceremony put all that they contributed to my life in some box to be stored in the attic. I’m going to miss them, for years and years and probably the rest of my life. I’m going to reflect on them for decades, wonder what I’d ask them today, ponder what today would be like had they been there…
They’re dead. I can accept that, it’s something I cannot change. They’re missed, that I cannot change nor would I want to. Funerals are for the living, I know, but they do not mark an end to our lives with the deceased. They merely mark where the dead no longer actively contribute.
For my money, asking for a bit of payback isn’t an abnormal response. And if it means some Muslim out there somewhere has to wonder what his next encounter with me will be like, well, that’s his problem. If his compatriots comprise the vast majority of terrorists in the world, just maybe he ought to pay more attention to the company he keeps lest he be judged with them.
– Max
George Bush is a gentleman, like his father. Obama is not.
I would agree with that. neither was really much of a President, but their comportment towards the Military has been what it should be. The Obamanation, not so. The Messiah will most likely go down as the lowest class individual that ever sullied the Oval Office.
QM,
I’m not so sure about that. There’s a cigar smokin’ ex-President that might give the current resident a run for his money.
I wouldn’t argue either. That’s a contest I’d just as soon not participate in, if you know what I mean.
OT6… most of them are already in Detroit. Let’s help them make it a party!
Is it just me or does anyone else see the irony in the fact that the perp was trained to give PTSD and grief counseling and that,because of his actions, more psychs trained to give PTSD and grief counseling are needed to deal with the aftermath.
Job security?
I never really bought into this automatic mass mandatory grief coulseling thing anyway. Some may be helped…..for others it’s an excuse. Sometimes it’s OK to just be mad as hell.
Or the irony that so many out there initially reacted by thinking that the “poor soul” must have been suffering from PTSD …
I’d agree he was a poor soul. As in “spiritually impoverished.”
“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”
Speaking of Detroit, it is my understanding that in the War of 1812 the Canadians and Brits burned both Washington DC and Detroit, then declared victory and left them both to us.
Any way we can force them to keep both cities as spoils of war? I’m just asking…
– Max
Religions are weapon to the bone but as technology grows we will not be able to get rid of them nor any other stupidity without understanding total human logical social morallaws, wich is the trap.
In case of lack in understanding current adult status carrier should be legally bechilded out of the decision making not suitable for the careless. Maturity is not the question of the age but of the rite and the passage.
People can die of old age never deserving all mature status. Responsibility over ones actions how ever still comes in pace with the physicall deminishion of bodily instability brougth by age.
Laws in race and in person are changed by the development of abilities. Technology is a great factor in that at racial level.
Before this all and the lot of more is undersoot I am affraid you all are headed straigth into destruction and I am enjoying your subdoings.
Here’s a different content.
Unforgiwoble’s posts are:
a) trolling
b) the worst machine translations ever
c) English as a third or fourth, maybe fifth language
Bonus: If your answer is c), what is unforgiwoble’s original language?
ConTEST, dammit, conTEST.
Hukt awn fonix werkt for mi!
I say c.
Is the thrust of his post that we shouldn’t be considered legally responsible for our selves until we pass some sort of rite of passage vice just reach a certain age, i.e. the age of consent. Sort of like the story of Indians at a certain age running up to slap the bear to prove their manhood, or how there’s an African tribe in which you aren’t considered a man until you can jump your own height.
Race, religion, moral law, and some other concepts do seem to swirl around pointlessly in his less than ideal translation though so I’m just guessing . . .
I’m guessing Finnish, but that’s probably – almost certainly, in fact – because I have behind the curtain access to his/her/its IP address.
I have seen this sort of thing before, and rest assured I am watching with a critical eye. Not all the loonies are yet institutionalized.
I’m not sure Unforgiwoble is a loonie. His/her command of English certainly leaves much to be desired. Anyone having been overseas has seen attempts at speaking English, or attempts at signs meant for the English speaker that elicits more than a chuckle. I drew a few laughs when I started speaking German.
Zane, I choose All of the Above. And Snork!
I would have said Snork! to infinity (and beyond) but I don’t have an infinity symbol on my keyboard.
To ∞+!
You can find it in the character map. It’s in system tools. Just go to the start menu and all programs. It’s under accessories. That’s where I have to go to get an umlaut when I’m writing something in German. I doubt there’s much hope to find Louisianan out there, though
I’m just glad my subdoings are being enjoyed by someone. Unforgiwubble indeed.