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		<title>By: Grampa Bluewater</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2009/11/19/complacent-submariners/comment-page-1/#comment-462396</link>
		<dc:creator>Grampa Bluewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The care and feeding of the God of the Teakettle understandably compels attention and obedience. Money, priority, career threat capability, first cut on what officers go to the boats, and depth on the bench for helpers from group and squadron. Not to mention suction for the strong leaders in the O-ganger locker.

Plus, the 600 pound gorilla of the force, the superb organization and culture for Engineering training. It all eats time. Which everybody has the same amount of, which is to say, not enough.

Operations and Tactics, also known as why the boat exists, can slip to below 
Engineering and Maintenence. Way below. 

Unless the Commodore, Captain and XO teach, preach, practice and emphasize that ORSE is necessary, but not sufficient. The hard part is that the top of the pyramid has to denonstrate expertise, presence in the ship control and weapons spaces, commitment to mentor JO&#039;s and LPO&#039;s, esteem for the personnel - who can take way too much ribbing from the nukes - and....leave room for initiative, innovation and growth.

Because Operations and Tactics are performance art.  

All submarining is to a degree, but shipdriving is so to a greater degree than back aft, where procedural compliance, regulations and deep DEEP technical knowlege of the equipment tends to put more weight on that side of the teeter-totter.

Which is why an UBER boat has an UBER CO, and will, in time, often emit UBER ex XO&#039;s and Ex DH&#039;s who become UBER CO&#039;s and XO&#039;s in their own right who create, for a time, more UBER boats.

The great god MURPHY permitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The care and feeding of the God of the Teakettle understandably compels attention and obedience. Money, priority, career threat capability, first cut on what officers go to the boats, and depth on the bench for helpers from group and squadron. Not to mention suction for the strong leaders in the O-ganger locker.</p>
<p>Plus, the 600 pound gorilla of the force, the superb organization and culture for Engineering training. It all eats time. Which everybody has the same amount of, which is to say, not enough.</p>
<p>Operations and Tactics, also known as why the boat exists, can slip to below<br />
Engineering and Maintenence. Way below. </p>
<p>Unless the Commodore, Captain and XO teach, preach, practice and emphasize that ORSE is necessary, but not sufficient. The hard part is that the top of the pyramid has to denonstrate expertise, presence in the ship control and weapons spaces, commitment to mentor JO&#8217;s and LPO&#8217;s, esteem for the personnel &#8211; who can take way too much ribbing from the nukes &#8211; and&#8230;.leave room for initiative, innovation and growth.</p>
<p>Because Operations and Tactics are performance art.  </p>
<p>All submarining is to a degree, but shipdriving is so to a greater degree than back aft, where procedural compliance, regulations and deep DEEP technical knowlege of the equipment tends to put more weight on that side of the teeter-totter.</p>
<p>Which is why an UBER boat has an UBER CO, and will, in time, often emit UBER ex XO&#8217;s and Ex DH&#8217;s who become UBER CO&#8217;s and XO&#8217;s in their own right who create, for a time, more UBER boats.</p>
<p>The great god MURPHY permitting.</p>
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		<title>By: grounded eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>grounded eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember from my time on the boat that most of the drills were run back aft.  The only drill time the Coners got was during TRE/TWP.  It was like they had to relearn their jobs all over again.  TMOW: &quot;Where is that button?  I just saw it a minute ago.&quot; as he looks at the torpedo control panel.  I wonder if maybe their is too much emphasis on the reactor and not enough on the forward half of the boat.  Seemed that us nukes had training twice as often as everybody else.  What do y&#039;all think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember from my time on the boat that most of the drills were run back aft.  The only drill time the Coners got was during TRE/TWP.  It was like they had to relearn their jobs all over again.  TMOW: &#8220;Where is that button?  I just saw it a minute ago.&#8221; as he looks at the torpedo control panel.  I wonder if maybe their is too much emphasis on the reactor and not enough on the forward half of the boat.  Seemed that us nukes had training twice as often as everybody else.  What do y&#8217;all think?</p>
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		<title>By: grounded eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>grounded eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should read &quot;The Navigator&quot;, Nav/Ops Department Head.  During the Maneuvering Watch or tricky transits, the Nav is usually in the control room at the charts, supervising the quartermasters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should read &#8220;The Navigator&#8221;, Nav/Ops Department Head.  During the Maneuvering Watch or tricky transits, the Nav is usually in the control room at the charts, supervising the quartermasters.</p>
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		<title>By: JoeC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoeC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“However, the crew pushed on, wanted to be seen as having that “can do!” attitude, trusting that it would all work out as it had so many times before.”

I think this sentance alone is the crux of this, and many other accidents. No one ever wants to be the one to say, “Nope, can’t get it done.” It’s in the genes. We’re men of the sea, we make it happen. There’s nothing we can’t get done. Blah blah blah.

No one ever wakes up going, “Hmmmm….how can I completely screw up today?” In the interest of “getting it done” you lose sight of the bigger picture, which causes you to lose sight of the details that are telling you something is wrong.

What I don&#039;t see in the above is the &quot; IF the individual SPEAKs UP and points out the things that could go wrong, or offer alternatives, then the individual will be downrated and told they are not a &quot;team player&quot;.  That their &quot;negative attitude&quot; is &quot;detrimental to the function of this unit&quot; that &quot;further motivational exercises are required to correct the efficiency of this individual&quot; and &quot;reassignment to a non flying position is indicated&quot;.  I&#039;m sure a few of the leading O types can find much better examples of &quot;dismissal phrases&quot; from recent evolutions than my fast fading memories. The beatings will continue until the morale improves.

See a few of those, justifiable or not, and any wonder that &quot;can do!&quot; overcomes &quot;logic, reason, and rationality&quot;?  There is a fine line between discipline and outright dictatorship espoused by many LPo&#039;s. &quot;My way or the highway&quot; is the leadership cliche. Not by example but by fiat. &quot;Shut up and soldier&quot; Rationality leaves in the face of shut up and fly or speak up and scrub the head. 

Unfortunate for all concerned that the loss of rationality is not discovered until a few lives and another $50 million light up hillside, Grandpa Pettibone trots out old columns for the &quot;Safety Shirt Special&quot;, all make a mandatory safety stand down all hands evolution where some talking head spouts the company line about &quot;SAFETY FIRST!&quot; and maybe even passes out a freebie pen or mouse pad these days with the company CAN DO! motto artfully silk screened upon, the later everybody goes back to work.... and the LPo&#039;s start the former policy all over again.  Because that is the Navy way. We&#039;ve done it this way since 1776 and by God! we&#039;ll do it this way forever.

Not that I am cynical you understand. Me? Nope. No way. uh-uh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“However, the crew pushed on, wanted to be seen as having that “can do!” attitude, trusting that it would all work out as it had so many times before.”</p>
<p>I think this sentance alone is the crux of this, and many other accidents. No one ever wants to be the one to say, “Nope, can’t get it done.” It’s in the genes. We’re men of the sea, we make it happen. There’s nothing we can’t get done. Blah blah blah.</p>
<p>No one ever wakes up going, “Hmmmm….how can I completely screw up today?” In the interest of “getting it done” you lose sight of the bigger picture, which causes you to lose sight of the details that are telling you something is wrong.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t see in the above is the &#8221; IF the individual SPEAKs UP and points out the things that could go wrong, or offer alternatives, then the individual will be downrated and told they are not a &#8220;team player&#8221;.  That their &#8220;negative attitude&#8221; is &#8220;detrimental to the function of this unit&#8221; that &#8220;further motivational exercises are required to correct the efficiency of this individual&#8221; and &#8220;reassignment to a non flying position is indicated&#8221;.  I&#8217;m sure a few of the leading O types can find much better examples of &#8220;dismissal phrases&#8221; from recent evolutions than my fast fading memories. The beatings will continue until the morale improves.</p>
<p>See a few of those, justifiable or not, and any wonder that &#8220;can do!&#8221; overcomes &#8220;logic, reason, and rationality&#8221;?  There is a fine line between discipline and outright dictatorship espoused by many LPo&#8217;s. &#8220;My way or the highway&#8221; is the leadership cliche. Not by example but by fiat. &#8220;Shut up and soldier&#8221; Rationality leaves in the face of shut up and fly or speak up and scrub the head. </p>
<p>Unfortunate for all concerned that the loss of rationality is not discovered until a few lives and another $50 million light up hillside, Grandpa Pettibone trots out old columns for the &#8220;Safety Shirt Special&#8221;, all make a mandatory safety stand down all hands evolution where some talking head spouts the company line about &#8220;SAFETY FIRST!&#8221; and maybe even passes out a freebie pen or mouse pad these days with the company CAN DO! motto artfully silk screened upon, the later everybody goes back to work&#8230;. and the LPo&#8217;s start the former policy all over again.  Because that is the Navy way. We&#8217;ve done it this way since 1776 and by God! we&#8217;ll do it this way forever.</p>
<p>Not that I am cynical you understand. Me? Nope. No way. uh-uh.</p>
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		<title>By: Fast Nav</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fast Nav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not wanting to give away all the secrets here, but here&#039;s a helpful
&lt;a href=&quot;http://books.google.com/books?id=ai53zopCfKcC&amp;pg=PA212&amp;lpg=PA212&amp;dq=submarine+periscope+depth&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=XwaQcwGOsK&amp;sig=KIlEtdIUSx0c3xWv_aWi3vQY4Gs&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=RQsGS5qjMNDelAe_n-2rDA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=10&amp;ved=0CDAQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&amp;q=submarine%20periscope%20depth&amp;f=false&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not wanting to give away all the secrets here, but here&#8217;s a helpful<br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ai53zopCfKcC&amp;pg=PA212&amp;lpg=PA212&amp;dq=submarine+periscope+depth&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=XwaQcwGOsK&amp;sig=KIlEtdIUSx0c3xWv_aWi3vQY4Gs&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=RQsGS5qjMNDelAe_n-2rDA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=10&amp;ved=0CDAQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&amp;q=submarine%20periscope%20depth&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">link</a></p>
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		<title>By: jon spencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they could harness Rickover&#039;s rpm&#039;s right now it could power a boat for quite awhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they could harness Rickover&#8217;s rpm&#8217;s right now it could power a boat for quite awhile.</p>
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