Credo
"Sign on, young man, and sail with me. The stature of our homeland is no more than the measure of ourselves. Our job is to keep her free. Our will is to keep the torch of freedom burning for all. To this solemn purpose we call on the young, the brave, the strong, and the free. Heed my call, Come to the sea. Come Sail with me." -- John Paul Jones
"Pardon him, Theodotus; he is a barbarian, and thinks that the customs of his tribe and island are the laws of nature" --George Bernard Shaw, "Caesar and Cleopatra"
"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music."--Friedrich Nietzsche
"A kind Providence has placed in our breasts a hatred of the unjust and cruel, in order that we may preserve ourselves from cruelty and injustice. They who bear cruelty, are accomplices in it. The pretended gentleness which excludes that charitable rancour, produces an indifference which is half an approbation. They never will love where they ought to love, who do not hate where they ought to hate."--Edmund Burke
“You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”--General Sir Charles Napier
"Μολὼν λαβέ" -- Leonidas
"Blogito Ergo Sum" -- Neptunus Lex
Ménage à trois?
Beat me to it.
Or kinky.
Easier answer? Slut/jigolo
The only sure-fire way to stop that cohesion and discipline rotting behavior is to separate the sexes (and coming soon to a military service near you- same sex “fraternization” issues out in the open). But it ain’t never going to happen in this country with the social “progressive” agenda being the prime directive. But then I am just “old school”.
E4 + E5 = E9
More likely E9 + E4 = (2) E1
More like E9 + E4 = 1 quietly retired with full pension, and 1 dishonorably discharged with no chance of employment again
Just imagine what it would be like on a “boomer”, underway for months at a time and nary a CVS nor Walgreens in sight! Once ashore there would be a rush on either lubricants or EPT’s.
Just another reason to either ban females from serving at sea, or, alternately, demand temporary sterilization of all Navy personnel.
Of course, the logical result of all this is to simply deny marriage to anyone on active duty. No married crew means no divorce problems, no extra money spent on dependents, etc.
At the risk of alienating my good friends among the commenters, I have, for my entire life, advocated that NO married persons should ever be allowed to serve in the military, except in the most severe of national crisis, and that the tire military should, at all time, be made up of single men and women.
Saves a ton of money on dependent costs, housing, medical, schools, etc.
But I’m just an old Neanderthal Airdale. According to the Diversity Zampolits, I am the one that ought not to have been allowed tom enlist.
Sigh…..
Noble though the thought may be, it wouldn’t save on 1/2 of those issues. You assume that not being married = not having sex, though we both know that wouldn’t be the case. Instead, you would have a host of issues related to unplanned/unwanted pregnancies, illegitimate children, and the like. They would all have to be fed, housed, and have their medical issues tended to. Not to mention all the counseling that we chaplains would have to do in the long run when these kids grow up all screwed up b/c they never knew what a real family was like. Of course it’s going on NOW, but if every service was manned by unmarried men & women? I would predict that it would go through the roof, and cause many more headaches.
Not to mention the fact that we would have lost the 26 years of service our gracious host had to offer.
Major,
I could not find on your site a way of contacting you privately, Lex has my email, please email me.
Yeah,
I know. I’m simply pontificating and it won’t ever be that way. Ah well.
The Romans used to deny marriage to anyone in the legions who wanted that rite put down on paper. Yet, in the end, they offered to recognize marriage with sworn testimony after the requisite 20 years of service. I think that we ought to consider a similar approach.
Tim, you know what the old Army DIs used to say in the days of the draft and open-bay barracks: “If the Army had wanted ya to have a wife it’d ISSUED ya one!”
Mose of the Drills were also married themselves.
Well, I was married shortly after I went in, though midstream the (ex) wife didn’t care for my overseas time and sought other pastures -in a formal and legal manner- so perhaps I would kinda qualify under your guidelines Tim.
VX, they did most assuredly tell us that refrain at Lackland many, many times. Not that any of us chosen few were draftees.
Guess I was pretty close Ron. Had a draft number 5 and prior to college graduation and evaporation of the student deferment I had made arrangements with the USAF recruiter to offer my (modest) services to Uncle Sam. For a gummint operation the draft board in Red Bank, NJ was pretty efficient ’cause within a week of graduation they were ready to process/draft me. The recruiter got there just in the nick of time and got my paperwork out of their typewriter.
Now I’m just reflecting on how the mention of a typewriter makes you feel kind of…um…ancient.
lex, one wonders if the odd number was caused by the CO’s lack of ability to hold mast for one or more others – conflict of interest? Someone “untouchable” involved?
Cdr Salamander has posted about this, and it is a delicious read…
http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/2009/12/admiral-harvey-be-careful-where-you-dig.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FFAFV+%28CDR+Salamander%29
Yes, a good read, one which came with a short detour for a quick Civil War history refresher (re Longstreet:Lee).
Well, gang, I must say that Skippy-san and I have harped about this subject for a long, long, time. Hate to say “We told you so!”, but…….
VX, I hate to admit it…but… I must say… that you and Skippy-Sans ??completely original, sublimely unique and never before thought of point of view on this subject is a wonder to behold…I/we await, trembling with anticipation, for your next momentous pronouncement. Best
Actually, the result was so easily predicted that even VX’s Rum soaked mind was able to predict it.
I 2nd that.
Shoot, this was a problem even before Combat ratings were opened up to females.
Anyone remember the floating whorehouse AKA USS Cape Cod?
about 80% of the female crew came back from a 6 month deployment less than six months preggers.
Rivetjoint, I have lots of supplies for a typewriter (a darned nice IBM Selectric) that I cannot bring myself to throw away. Don’t have the typewriter any longer, so go figure!
I wasn’t much of a typist, but I loved the Selectric.
The Selectric was really something to behold. If memory serves, a new one could cost something like $1000.
I loved the Selectric. One thing that IBM did correctly was model their keyboards on the feel of the IBM Selectric typewriter. Wang, I believe, did the same on their terminal keyboards. You can still find a few at auctions and surplus stores, if you happen to type a lot they are worth their weight in gold.
– Max
And Max, at around $1200/oz for gold these days, that 25 pound Selectric could just cover the mortgage, donchya know.
Actually the whole “women-in-the-armed services” thing is just another Lysenko-like Stalinist attempt to repeal the laws of biology under the politicized whip of furthering post-modernist feminist ideology. Nothing more and nothing less…
VX,For the good of mankind…kindly shut your pie/cake hole… go to your room and sit in a corner until I tell you to come out. Best
The odd number can be explained if, for example, a male fraternized with multiple females. It didn’t have to be a menage a trois – just serial dalliances.
Sounds like some floggings are in order.
Oh…wait…Never mind.
If you read the Navy Times article, the nine were five male chiefs, and four female POs. All of the chiefs are getting ADSEPed as well. I just wonder if the NJPs weren’t all for conduct, and some were for failure to supervise? That might explain the “pairing discrepancy”.
Good luck, ADM Harvey. You have correctly opened a can of worms. I pray you have the perseverance to see it out.
Fascinating… in the Army, since we don’t make any distinction between NCOs above and below the E-7 mark, this would not be considered fraternization… unless there were supervisory elements added.
POs are not “junior enlisted” – they’re NCOs. Or should be.
Still, the timing makes me wonder.
I try and avoid making many comments about this sort of thing, as all I ever was was a Reserve JG paying off his NROTC commitment, I served on a trireme in the Gulf of Mexico, with black and white radios, and steam radar. Not a careerest like you chaps.
But a few years ago, a retired P3 type I know was pleased that his daughter had joined the USAF. When I asked why she did not join the Fleet, I was told, ‘ Scott, your navy does not exist any more. Your Navy was a force to deliver force on demand to our nations enemies, today’s Navy is seemingly devoted to social engineering’.
When I broght this up to anothe Scott I know, (a retired snipe,), Scott told me that as a PO, one of his nightly jobs was to chase the boys and girls out of the paint lockers, and any other secluded places.
i suppose that this is enevitable, and is reflected by the differing slogans of the Navy. We have gone from 1943′s 20 foot high letters on a hill above Tulagi harbor that said, ” KILL JAPS KILL JAPS KILL MORE JAPS “, to “A Global Force For Good”. If you were a country contemplating causing another country grief, which country would you opt for, the one whose navy is a global force for good, or the one whose motto is KILL?
Nine? That’s odd, indeed.
Perhaps Mrs. Palm was an unindicted co-conspirator.