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	<description>The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy!</description>
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		<title>By: Puzzled Civilian</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/03/dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-536621</link>
		<dc:creator>Puzzled Civilian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2010 00:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Lex, I really do not want to be regaled with tales of life between the sheets.  For me, that extends to hetero exploits as well.  And count me out for being forced to watch or listen to others having sex.  Being able to boast about sexual prowess  or to publically pursue sexual conquests is not what most gay members of the service want; exploiting hetero colleagues is not what they want either.  What most gay service members want is to be able to post pictures of their loved ones by their bunks or on their desks, to talk about the people that they love, and to publically socialize (movies, dinners out, airshows, trips to the PX) with the ones that they love.  Today, doing any of those activities that straight couples take for granted will lead to an immediate discharge proceeding.

I realize that members of the armed forces are often compelled to share tight quarters; I have stayed in my share of barracks and bunkhouses, and I am sure that sleeping quarters are even tighter ship-board. I know that some of folks with whom I have shared tents, bunk rooms or hotel rooms are gay.  A few I knew at the time, some I learned about later.  Since they respected my physical space, it was never a problem for me.  I have also shared rooms and tents with attractive women with whom I was not having sex without being overcome with the desire to assault them (and apparently, they felt no overwhelming attraction to me, either, sad to say).  I have also occasionally found myself in co-ed bunk rooms where a straight couple was &quot;discreetly&quot; having sex.  Somehow I survived, even if a little disgusted, and I can assure you that it must be infinitely better than sleeping in a rain-filled fox hole or anywhere the Taliban can shell.

My point is that many of the comments here confuse who people love (and what they practice in private with those they love) with public acts of sex or with unwanted sexual attention.  Can it really be that hetero respondents here are convinced that they are so virile that given a chance, no gay person would be able to avoid molesting them, or that given the opportunity, that they could not suppress their urges to assault any woman who wandered near at hand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Lex, I really do not want to be regaled with tales of life between the sheets.  For me, that extends to hetero exploits as well.  And count me out for being forced to watch or listen to others having sex.  Being able to boast about sexual prowess  or to publically pursue sexual conquests is not what most gay members of the service want; exploiting hetero colleagues is not what they want either.  What most gay service members want is to be able to post pictures of their loved ones by their bunks or on their desks, to talk about the people that they love, and to publically socialize (movies, dinners out, airshows, trips to the PX) with the ones that they love.  Today, doing any of those activities that straight couples take for granted will lead to an immediate discharge proceeding.</p>
<p>I realize that members of the armed forces are often compelled to share tight quarters; I have stayed in my share of barracks and bunkhouses, and I am sure that sleeping quarters are even tighter ship-board. I know that some of folks with whom I have shared tents, bunk rooms or hotel rooms are gay.  A few I knew at the time, some I learned about later.  Since they respected my physical space, it was never a problem for me.  I have also shared rooms and tents with attractive women with whom I was not having sex without being overcome with the desire to assault them (and apparently, they felt no overwhelming attraction to me, either, sad to say).  I have also occasionally found myself in co-ed bunk rooms where a straight couple was &#8220;discreetly&#8221; having sex.  Somehow I survived, even if a little disgusted, and I can assure you that it must be infinitely better than sleeping in a rain-filled fox hole or anywhere the Taliban can shell.</p>
<p>My point is that many of the comments here confuse who people love (and what they practice in private with those they love) with public acts of sex or with unwanted sexual attention.  Can it really be that hetero respondents here are convinced that they are so virile that given a chance, no gay person would be able to avoid molesting them, or that given the opportunity, that they could not suppress their urges to assault any woman who wandered near at hand?</p>
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		<title>By: Quartermaster</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/03/dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-485924</link>
		<dc:creator>Quartermaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 17:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maj. you are the first one that I have seen make the claim that 1 John was addressed to Gnostics. Given that the general epistles were sent to the churches, that is a bridge way too far. The manner in which it is written also goes against the claim.

I am aware that Baptists think they can get fire insurance, then basically live any way they like. Such is foreign to scripture. Conversion and salvation are neither the same thing, nor do they happen at the same time.

There are many passages that the Calvinist/Baptist idea of &quot;once saved, always saved&quot; founders on. I won&#039;t go into them here. An entire book has been written on the subject, and is available on the internet.

There is a biblical doctrine of &quot;once saved, always saved,&quot; but Calvinists and Baptists don&#039;t teach it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maj. you are the first one that I have seen make the claim that 1 John was addressed to Gnostics. Given that the general epistles were sent to the churches, that is a bridge way too far. The manner in which it is written also goes against the claim.</p>
<p>I am aware that Baptists think they can get fire insurance, then basically live any way they like. Such is foreign to scripture. Conversion and salvation are neither the same thing, nor do they happen at the same time.</p>
<p>There are many passages that the Calvinist/Baptist idea of &#8220;once saved, always saved&#8221; founders on. I won&#8217;t go into them here. An entire book has been written on the subject, and is available on the internet.</p>
<p>There is a biblical doctrine of &#8220;once saved, always saved,&#8221; but Calvinists and Baptists don&#8217;t teach it.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Those of a more secular bent will no doubt agree with me that, God notwithstanding, the more love there is in the world, the better off we all will be.&#8221; &#171; OnParkStreet</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/03/dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-485703</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;Those of a more secular bent will no doubt agree with me that, God notwithstanding, the more love there is in the world, the better off we all will be.&#8221; &#171; OnParkStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 21:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] February 6, 2010 &#183; Leave a Comment  &#8220;As I have said in these pages before – and as I continue to believe – no one chooses to be gay or straight; they are as their God has made them for reasons known only to Himself, and if God is love – as he surely must be, or else he be not God – then he cannot want any of his children not to know him. Those of a more secular bent will no doubt agree with me that, God notwithstanding, the more love there is in the world, the better off we all will be.&#8221; &#8211; Neptunus Lex [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] February 6, 2010 &middot; Leave a Comment  &#8220;As I have said in these pages before – and as I continue to believe – no one chooses to be gay or straight; they are as their God has made them for reasons known only to Himself, and if God is love – as he surely must be, or else he be not God – then he cannot want any of his children not to know him. Those of a more secular bent will no doubt agree with me that, God notwithstanding, the more love there is in the world, the better off we all will be.&#8221; &#8211; Neptunus Lex [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chap</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/03/dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-485632</link>
		<dc:creator>Chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds as though most here seem to agree with DKDC...but Lex brings some great points: implementation is everything, and what shall we be used as a battering ram for after this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds as though most here seem to agree with DKDC&#8230;but Lex brings some great points: implementation is everything, and what shall we be used as a battering ram for after this?</p>
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		<title>By: Chap</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/03/dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-485631</link>
		<dc:creator>Chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chaps, I had a guy email me a while back who needed some help.  It wasn&#039;t the TBI and severe injury that was driving his depression--although I&#039;d argue it didn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;help&lt;/em&gt;--it was that he was in the closet and thought that such a reason was letting his unit down.  Heartbreaking to see the guy&#039;s inability to see that his service was as honorable as anyone else&#039;s.  

That&#039;s another side to it that at least needs to be considered--apparently serving like that has a price too.  Might not be a sufficient point to change anyone&#039;s mind, but worth at least consideration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chaps, I had a guy email me a while back who needed some help.  It wasn&#8217;t the TBI and severe injury that was driving his depression&#8211;although I&#8217;d argue it didn&#8217;t <em>help</em>&#8211;it was that he was in the closet and thought that such a reason was letting his unit down.  Heartbreaking to see the guy&#8217;s inability to see that his service was as honorable as anyone else&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s another side to it that at least needs to be considered&#8211;apparently serving like that has a price too.  Might not be a sufficient point to change anyone&#8217;s mind, but worth at least consideration.</p>
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		<title>By: Chap</title>
		<link>http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/03/dadt/comment-page-1/#comment-485629</link>
		<dc:creator>Chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Cherry on top&quot; laws shouldn&#039;t be merely selectively enforced tools for a prosecutor.  If it ain&#039;t the standard, change the standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Cherry on top&#8221; laws shouldn&#8217;t be merely selectively enforced tools for a prosecutor.  If it ain&#8217;t the standard, change the standard.</p>
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