Comments on: Evropa http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/09/evropa/ The unbearable lightness of Lex. Enjoy! Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:01:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: hajo-hi http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/09/evropa/comment-page-1/#comment-486634 hajo-hi Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:28:27 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=13857#comment-486634 OK, I posted to much. Strategic thinking prevailed: http://www.ftd.de/politik/europa/:hilfe-fuer-eu-land-berlin-will-griechenland-retten/50071966.html It's written in German but meaning is clear from the context. OK, I posted to much. Strategic thinking prevailed:

http://www.ftd.de/politik/europa/:hilfe-fuer-eu-land-berlin-will-griechenland-retten/50071966.html

It’s written in German but meaning is clear from the context.

]]> By: hajo-hi http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/09/evropa/comment-page-1/#comment-486473 hajo-hi Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:33:28 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=13857#comment-486473 1. "Germans", that is the people in the street, do not seriously want that first among equal position because they do not want to shoulder the burden it implies, as well for the money as for being the ugly guy again. Indeed "Germans" would let the Euro fail and set Greece free. 2. As for "Germany" it is somewhat unclear what the establishment wants. On the one side are the foreign policy establishment and the banking community, which fear the breakdown of the European project and a financial chain reaction, on the other side the are traditional business community and the members of the "bourgeois" parties (christian democrats and free democrats (right-wing liberals)) who want to keep the money together. The "Left" does not matter so much here, because it lost the last election and is currently somewhat disoriented ... 3. You do not gain leadership by paying someones expenses and and acting like his nanny. You just get a rebellion that way. 4. Actually the percentage of expenditure with respect to GDP for social programs and state affairs does not differ so much from Greece to Germany. Point is that Greece acted according to the neo-liberal advice from Brussels that is to gain economic competitiveness by reducing the tax-burden, which left its public household underfunded during the last decade. It is not obvious to Germans why they should pay higher-taxes for Greece or even end up in the same way by shouldering more debt. Expect, probably, for strategic thinkers and bankers. 1. “Germans”, that is the people in the street, do not seriously want that first among equal position because they do not want to shoulder the burden it implies, as well for the money as for being the ugly guy again. Indeed “Germans” would let the Euro fail and set Greece free.

2. As for “Germany” it is somewhat unclear what the establishment wants. On the one side are the foreign policy establishment and the banking community, which fear the breakdown of the European project and a financial chain reaction, on the other side the are traditional business community and the members of the “bourgeois” parties (christian democrats and free democrats (right-wing liberals)) who want to keep the money together. The “Left” does not matter so much here, because it lost the last election and is currently somewhat disoriented …

3. You do not gain leadership by paying someones expenses and and acting like his nanny. You just get a rebellion that way.

4. Actually the percentage of expenditure with respect to GDP for social programs and state affairs does not differ so much from Greece to Germany. Point is that Greece acted according to the neo-liberal advice from Brussels that is to gain economic competitiveness by reducing the tax-burden, which left its public household underfunded during the last decade.

It is not obvious to Germans why they should pay higher-taxes for Greece or even end up in the same way by shouldering more debt. Expect, probably, for strategic thinkers and bankers.

]]> By: Stephen http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/09/evropa/comment-page-1/#comment-486451 Stephen Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:58:35 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=13857#comment-486451 Can you say Yen? Can you say Yen?

]]> By: Quartermaster http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/09/evropa/comment-page-1/#comment-486442 Quartermaster Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:30:34 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=13857#comment-486442 Last I read, Germany had not agreed to bailout Greece. But, frankly, I think the writer has a point. If Greece and Portugal can't control the political corruption that got them where they are, and they ask for a bailout, then germany is certainly within her rights to "we call the shots." That will not sit well with the Latins and Greeks to have Allemagne calling the shots. The German's reaction should be "he who pays the Piper, calls the tune." Last I read, Germany had not agreed to bailout Greece. But, frankly, I think the writer has a point. If Greece and Portugal can’t control the political corruption that got them where they are, and they ask for a bailout, then germany is certainly within her rights to “we call the shots.” That will not sit well with the Latins and Greeks to have Allemagne calling the shots. The German’s reaction should be “he who pays the Piper, calls the tune.”

]]> By: G-man http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/09/evropa/comment-page-1/#comment-486437 G-man Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:20:03 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=13857#comment-486437 Germans have agreed to bail out the Greeks. Hmmm, last time they were there it didn't turn out so well for the kindly Huns. Germans have agreed to bail out the Greeks. Hmmm, last time they were there it didn’t turn out so well for the kindly Huns.

]]> By: Bill K. http://www.neptunuslex.com/2010/02/09/evropa/comment-page-1/#comment-486433 Bill K. Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:09:48 +0000 http://www.neptunuslex.com/?p=13857#comment-486433 So do ya feel in yer gut, they'd like to recolonize us as well, or are the Krauts to become another enema? ;) So do ya feel in yer gut, they’d like to recolonize us as well, or are the Krauts to become another enema? ;)

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