It does come with certain drawbacks, according to the Daily Telegraph’s Andrew Brown along with – here’s the shocker – the BBC:
Are young men of Pakistani origin really fizzing with testosterone, and do they target young white women for sex because they see them as easy meat, as Jack Straw claimed last week? The Today programme went to Bradford this morning to find out, and you got the distinct impression that no one was more shocked than the BBC to find young Asian men, by and large, confirming what Mr Straw said.
A minority of interviewees sounded a note of caution, said everyone was equal and there was no such thing as an “easy target”. A more typical response, however, was: “It’s the way the white women dress, innit. Miniskirts. Encourages them, innit, to go jack ‘em and that, d’you get me?” (That’s an exact quote, by the way.) Or: “A lot of Asian women wouldn’t actually have their body showing, whereas white women you would find them like that.” Or: “White women drink, so when they [are] under the influence of alcohol the Pakistani men probably – the ones from Pakistan that have recently come – probably think they can take advantage, innit.”
If they had the decency to cover themselves from head to toe, this probably wouldn’t happen.
Another thing that would shock the BBC is the rate and demographics of rape in certain Northern European countries. I keep thinking, “There are none so blind as those who will not see…”
“If they had the decency to cover themselves from head to toe, this probably wouldn’t happen.” True (not that I miss the irony). But I can’t help working the other side of the equation and concluding that if Britain’s immigration policies weren’t suicidal from head to toe, it probably wouldn’t happen, either.
I’m shocked, SHOCKED, I tell ya! Trouble in multi-culti paradise?? OHHHhhhh NOOOoooooooo….Who’d have EVER thunk it? (Now if the BBC had only been reading Fjordman back in 2005 about the Muslim rapes of white Swedes in the approx 1/3 of Malmo that was effectively a “no-go zone” back THEN, their central nervous system might be in better shape today.)
I kind of see this as a dual edged sword, both bad.
First you have the unassimilated foreigners who feel taking advantage of a women because she wears a mini skirt is cool because “she’s asking for it.”
But I think you also have the moral degeneration of the everything-is-relative west. My experience at UCLA was that the American and Western European women were not interested in relationships (as much, some of course were given human nature), in the long term (as much, again), but were very sexually active with hook-ups, one night stands, screw a guy and leave him, be sexually aggressive as was mentioned on another thread here recently, etc. There was also a very shallow and superficial quality to putting sex firmly ahead of an actual relationship. The Eastern European and Asian (by which I mean US definition of China, Korea, Japan, etc. vice British of usually meaning India and Pakistan) women were more traditional, wanted a long term relationship, wanted a courtship first to weed out the dudes who only wanted sex, etc. It was an abject lesson in modern vs. traditional values and short term vs. long term thinking. (Although to be fair there appears to be a pretty big cultural battle in both Japan and Korea with modernity, and one suspects a brewing one in China. And you also have to make room for the few remaining traditional American women, and a growing number of women from Eastern Europe and Asia who were starting to embrace the Sex and the City attitudes of modern America. But the above trends/generalizations I think are in the ballpark.)
The modern west has said there is no good and bad, except that previous western civilizational confidence was bad -which is really a “Rules for Radical” cultural tactic to bring down the west-, and so has welcomed in those who believe firmly in the bad and punished those who believe in western traditions.
(For the Rules on Radicals comment from reading a bit of the book it’s essentially a realization by the Left that they had to do two things and they started to think about how to do it: 1.) culture leads politics and not necessarily the other way around despite Daniel Patrick Moynihans’ famous qoute, and 2.) you had to work within the current system to change the culture, which the ’60′s radicals were not doing. This is all prepping the ground for the coming revolution. There is next to no thought about what that actual revolution will be and whether it’s feasible of course, which is typical of leftist politics: extremely ridiculous/fantasy visions/policies and very tough-minded/realist politics to try to enact the fantasy, which sadly means they get their away far too often.)
But I think you also have the moral degeneration of the everything-is-relative west.
Yes, but you also have the very bright line in the West that a woman cannot be forced to have sex against her will, regardless of how traditional or non-traditional she is in her consenting interactions. That is something that the immigrants plainly to not believe/understand.
Yes that is true and that is definitely a good thing.
I just feel the need to point out that the way the West has gone about sexual liberation of women has had some negative consequences as well. Liberty of any kind only works with responsibility, and I fear we have tried to “liberate” ourselves from the latter rather too much. Liberty relies on society taking care of itself and is thus culturally sustained/only suitable for certain cultural values, rather than the government taking care of you and trying to drive the values of society.
As per my other reply, there’s a great swath of young people all across the country who -while not monks- don’t “hook up” with a different stranger every weekend. Perhaps UCLA (or anything from metro California) is not the most reliable data set?
As for the “Muslims are barbarians” meme, perhaps it is something simpler: the typical Muslim female (especially Mid-East/Southwest Asia countries) is so “protected” that she very nearly can’t even shake hands with a male not in her immediate family. It’s much easier to make a date with a white/European woman than one with Pakistan heritage, although -upon consideration- it’s quite possible these Pakistan boys unconsciously consider women of their culture moral (i.e. what they’ve been brought up with), which would drive them to the conclusion that western women were all sluts. You could find similar attitudes in the United States before the sexual revolution. There were the women who “put out,” and those you took home to meet the parents.
…Hmmm… One wonders; do British women date these Muslim horndogs because they’re attracted, or because refusal would make them appear racist?
Interesting points.
I guess upon reading it over I should try to point out that I don’t think all muslims are “barbarians” but those who view women as objects for them to use regardless of consent, which would seem to be a more socially accepted attitude in their burroughs concerning Western women from reading the article, are. That attitude shows a lack of assimilation and I’m guessing tends to be prevalent in radical muslims, whom I will call barbarians without reserve.
Anyway, there still are those who “put out” and those you take home to Mom. My personal anecdotal experience I hope is *not* a good data set or else like the “snooty” host at the fancy restaurant in Ferris Bueler’s Day Off “I weep for the future.” That personal experience however is that the ones you take home to mom are getting pretty dang rare, their ratio seems to be declining in and in the aftermath of a social environment in college particularly that associated long term relationships with male dominance, submission and weakness and meaningless promiscuity with liberation, loving and being proud of your body, “harmless” fun, healthy and good for you, a feminist duty to make up for past repression, etc. The result is a target rich environment for the horn-dogs and eventually a lot of screwed up, used women, because most of them (there are exceptions to every rule) are naturally inclined to become more attached to their sex partner and start expecting a relationship anyway than men given the differences in our sexual nature. (We could go on very long but I think we are trying to raise our boys far to feminized and our women as if there were no difference in natural inclination and ability between them and men and I think this is disastrous.) Even if it “works” and you think you find a nice girl who’s got it together you occassionally run into this dilemma, she’d slept with 40+ guys in her life (she can’t remember how many) by the time she was 22. Call me a puritan prude if you want, but I tend to think long term, perhaps too much, in relationships and the idea that pops in my mind upon hearing something like that is “Do I really want *you* raising any future daughters we might have if I continue on with this???” Something along these lines is not an everyday event Thank God but it’s been less rare than I thought it would be.
Over a thousand comments on the Telegraph blog-posting–obviously looks like Andrew Brown hit a nerve somewhere.
Perhaps, but not enough of a nerve to where anyone is being deported over it or sent to prison.
More confirmation of how Muslims see the West and their women as children of a lesser God, children to be abused, subjugated, and relegated to secondary status. Until the West learns to step up and fight back on their home turf to preserve their principles and heritage, such abusive behavior will continue unchecked. Let we Americans take note of it, and respond accordingly.
My fear, as I try to allude to in my previous post, is that just deporting Muslims won’t be a complete fix. Our own culture seems to be in the process of suicide. Muslims filling the void in Europa or unassimilated hispanics here in America are just the natural response and inevitable, nature abhoring a vacuum.
There is definitely a Muslim threat we need to fight regardless of the condition of our home front. But there is also a significant domestic weakness too which we need to fight, and IMHO the domestic weakness is more important for it will be more difficult and less likely to stave off the external threat from a position of significant internal trouble. My preferred society would be one that is proud of, teaches, and sticks to its traditional values and assimilates immigrants, Western style liberty and political/societal participation open to all based on standards of conduct and a thin layer of unifying cultural ideas and values over restricting a polity on the basis of race, creed or religion is still the best hope for humanity. Kicking out immigrants while decaying from the inside out at the same time will be the worst of both worlds and only delay the inevitable that something more barbarous will replace the collapse of what the West has struggled to achive all the way from Homer.
Where the barbarians choose to strike at us tells us as much about our own weaknesses as it does about their own depravity. (And by this I do NOT mean western women have it coming at all, just in case anyone comes away thinking I’m excusing the behavior of the Pakistanis in the article. I’m not. Just trying to say that what’s going on says something about the relationship between the West and Islam and thus something about each participant.)
No, just parts of it, mostly on the coasts, in the big cities.
Which is about where 50%+ of our nation now lives
Goats.
The Brits need to raise more goats, and turn them loose in the Muzzie neighborhoods.
They also need to shut the door on immigration from SW Asia.
Greetings:
Then again, it could be that little sweet nothing that Uncle Mo gave his followers about their being allowed to have as many infidel women as their right hands could possess. “Innit” ???
I would never wear a mini skirt because it makes it really hard to conceal my 9mm.
Love the use of the passive voice in the article….”something of this sort is going on,” “It does seem that there is really something going on that people need to deal with”
Something really should be done, by someone, mistakes were made….