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Lambs and Lions

Quite coincidentally, two occasional readers sent me infographics which have very different stories to tell. The first is of the tech savvy millienial generation, which – despite an appalling job market – remains optimistic about their long term prospects.

The second one?

That has to do with the exchange of lead for gold as a precious commodity.

The gist of it is that while the rising nation optimistically sleeps on their parents couches waiting for economic conditions to improve, their parents are stocking up on guns and ammo.

Perhaps its one of those “life experience” things.

 

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28 comments to Lambs and Lions

  • Will somebody please buy me a box or two of ammo for Christmas? That would be .45 Colt for my revolver, not .45ACP. Winchester 225-grain Silvertips would be nice.

    • SCOTTtheBADGER

      I carry 3 magazines of Winchester Silvertips, one in the USP45F, and two in the mag pouches. You never know when you might pull over a car driven by a werewolf.

  • Mike M. (of the UAVs)

    Stocking? They’re late to the party. I started laying in ammunition four years ago.

  • Skip

    We roll our own ’round here.

    • Joe in N Calif

      Yep. Lay in a whole lot of components for the dozen most common rounds. Being able to reload for others could be a valuable trade.

      And don’t forget some hard lead and bullet molds.

      • Do not forget chambering reamers, dammit! Not to mention rifling jigs.

        I reckon our rulers wouldn’t like it, but if you can manage it, stock up on Nitric Acid. It is the main feedstock for all kaboomish things.

  • Edward

    Lambs? Or sheep?

    I pray the Lions are being overcautious, but appreciate their concern.

    Another set of tech savvy folk are having a rough time. See this link:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-fix-for-russian-science-isnt-taking-hold/2011/11/28/gIQAMJD99O_story.html?hpid=z3

    So it appears that the new Soviet Union is taking itself out of the picture via corruption while we are pursuing a parallel course via sloth and self-delusion.

    To reword Edward Teller’s famous response to the question: “What do you expect we will find on the Moon?”
    We can strike “Russians” and replace with “Chinese”.

  • MikeyB

    don’t forget whiskey and tobacco…to trade for ammo of course.

    • Lee

      If you’ve got Whiskey, and I’ve got guns WITH ammo… I’ve got Whiskey, Guns, and Ammo… you? Not much! Just sayin’…

      Guns WITH ammo trumps all others…

  • Two year ago (a few weeks after Maj. Hasan’s ‘Allāhu Akbar’ massacre at Ft Hood) I visited a large retailer’s firearms counter on a Saturday. There was one guy behind the counter anxious to talk to anyone who stopped (just me).

    Last week I went back to find 4 guys and one gal behind the 35-foot counter which had waiting lines behind those in front. About 1 in 5 of the customers were women buying hand guns for protection the first time.

    Applications and FBI checks were taking place at at least ten an hour. There were also two or three CWP applications in process.

    The ammunition and gun accessories were not even behind the gun counter. They were in 3 open aisles which were full of people taking goods to checkout at the front of the store.

    Christmas shopping I thought. Hardly, the guy next to me had bought his wife a gun and ammo the week before and was back for himself. One dad was actually outfitting his young son to hunt. The number of women buying guns was surprising. In one case, 3 women in one family.

    It is better to be prepared than SOL. I’ll have to go back for more ammo — they had run out of what I wanted.

    • All of the women with whom I have so much as swapped spit (except for one silly hippy), and also some I know who haven’t, keep a piece. Of course they are Southern gals, so this is normal and natural for them.

      I do believe that had Mr. Billy Jeff Clinton married a Southern gal, he would not have lived long enough to be elected President. Southern gals do not put up with his kind of behavior.

      • RonF

        Yeah, well, Hillary is a Wellesley graduate. My first reaction when I heard about the whole thing was “I didn’t know Wellesley girls would put up with that!”

    • Edward

      Vigilis,

      You will get a chuckle from this, especially the last line.

      http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2011/12/ron-paul-portfolio.html

      • Edward, found that very informative. Wish we knew the composition of every elected official’s portfolio. I suspect some would be very enlightening for the public.

  • Mike and Skip, four years ago I had a footlocker which was too heavy for me to lift without assistance, it being full of ammo and reloading tools and supplies. Sadly, that went away with all the other stuff I had in that storage locker when I couldn’t pay the bill. Somebody made out like a bandit in the ensuing auction, I betcha. There was some .22 Match ammo in there, some +P .45 Colt Cor-Bons, lotsa primers, etc. Sigh!

  • MaxDamage

    A great uncle of mine once traded a tin of coffee and some C-rations for an engagement ring. Seems the guy who had the ring had little use for it and wanted the coffee and food more. My great uncle was due to rotate home soon and wanted a ring to give to his sweetie. Which, one thing about free trade, everybody does it fully convinced they’ll be the better off for the transaction.

    I guess 1944 Germany was a poor place to be holding onto a wedding ring while starving waiting for a sunny day.

    Unlike stocks, or bonds, or for that matter an equity fund, purchase of real goods like gold and ammunition and firearms at least leaves you with a solid asset you can later trade. Good luck trading those shares in BigCorp into something you can use when the Rampaging Zombie Horde appears.

    Poor people, and folks who have been poor, seem to understand this. Makes me wonder what the rich will do if an economic collapse along the lines of hyper-inflation makes their money as worthless as the paper it is printed on.

    Perhaps they can emulate the inhabitants of Stalingrad. Paper and plaster make a tolerable bread, if baked
    properly. Stalingrad lasted a couple of years on such rations.

    Maybe we might re-consider “too big to fail” in the financial markets if the bond traders had to eat
    plaster and paper for a few months when they showed a loss.

    – Max

  • the fancy folks in my neighborhood laugh when i tell them the squirrels and doves they gripe about are my earthquake food…

    evidently they think i’m kidding.

    • Joe in N Calif

      Don’t forget those super-sized doves most people call pigeons. And if you have squirrels you likely have coons and possum too.

      A .22 rifle and some CB caps will take any of them at reasonable ranges. Nice and quiet, too. The striker is usually louder than the report.

      • better yet, i have a couple of air rifles for things like that.

        we have coons, possums, skunks, coyotes, and, i’m sure, if i go far enough up the ridge, deer.

        just not very big ones. this *is* LA after all.

  • grizzledcoastie

    Glad there are plenty of deer around these parts. Also, I’m glad my wife doesn’t get upset when I haul home another case of ammo or another gun.

    I just wonder how this slat armor and a Gatling gun will fit on my Sonata… But I tell you this, if there is dystopian, post-civilization, Mad Max-type scenario, I am not wearing an outfit with leather pants, football pads and with spikes. That was one thing that bothered me about the Mad Max movies. No one dressed for comfort and utility.

  • Airmail

    I grew up in a family that used guns for sport – competitive shooting and hunting. When I was about seven, I started spending summers with my grandfather and when we went to the range 2-3 times a week, it was from 8:00 till 5:00…..all day. We built up our own target backboards from 5ft x 5ft cardboard so we had many, many bulls and 1 inch center boxes to help us make one inch ten shot groups at 100 yards. My grandfather reloaded, making the practice rounds for range shooting out of lead, yes solid lead melted and poured into jigs. A day at the range included eight or ten rifles, a couple of 5×5 target boards and hundreds of rounds fired, all bench rest, all day. (smile)

    When I read about people crowding the gun stores and buying based the aforementioned article, it is obvious to me that there are two very different motives. I never shot, reloaded or went to the range for personal protection reasons, I always was thinking of that big eight point buck in November after sitting in a blind out in the woods.

    The fabric of our nation has always included guns and at first it was for protection against enemies. After the civil war and WW 1, civilians owning guns, at least in my family, was good clean fun and something that was fashinable to be very, very good at. Some families had boats, we had guns and shot on competitive teams at Camp Perry, Ohio.

    Today, the bad guys are no more present than they’ve been in the last 100 years. The mood has changed about them however and I’ll be the first to say, with very high confidence, that if one of them comes within a hundred yards of me or my family, I’ll use deadly force and the bad guy with criminal intent will get the worst of it.

    I am no more afraid of the bad guys (criminals, psychotics, terrorists, druggies) than I have been all my life and I’m damn glad I have guns and know how to use them. I not in panic buying mode. New gun owners ought to take the time to gain confidence in their skills, learn gun safety and for god’s sake, figure out why they want to carry a concealed weapon and be sure of their intentions with deep conviction, not just because it’s fashionable or they saw it on some reality TV show.

    • Joe in N Calif

      New gun owners ought to take the time to gain confidence in their skills, learn gun safety and for god’s sake, figure out why they want to carry a concealed weapon and be sure of their intentions with deep conviction, not just because it’s fashionable or they saw it on some reality TV show.

      That has long been a problem with the city folk. They think that if they read the 10 page booklet that comes with the gun they know how to use it. And all too many think a gun will be some magic talisman that they can flash and the bad man will go away. While that is often true, they need to have the mindset that they WILL pull that trigger if needed, otherwise they are better off without a gun.

      I also grew up shooting for fun. Dad even had a little backstop next to the house so we could shoot the .22s. Plywood box about 36 x 36 x 12 and filled with dirt. Every once in a while put a new front on it. And at least once a month go out either to an old quarry or to where my dad worked. It was a sand mining and processing operation, and the owners had converted one of the played out pits to a range for the employees.

      • RonF

        While that is often true, they need to have the mindset that they WILL pull that trigger if needed, otherwise they are better off without a gun.

        My son lives in Chicago. He had a bad experience with someone wanting (and failing) to force their way into his apartment. He asked me to get him a handgun for Christmas.

        I said “No. First, that’s a fairly personal purchase and you have to go talk to someone who knows a lot more about guns than I do and try a couple out. Second, you’ve got to go through an awful lot to get a handgun license (just to own, never mind carry) in Chicago. Are you prepared to do that? Because your name is going on this gun, not mine.

        Third – are you prepared to use that handgun? Because if you go to the front door with a gun out and hesitate to use it, you may find it used against you. If you get a gun out you have to be ready, willing and able to use it and not hesitate.

  • Zane

    Back to the OP… Seems to me the difference between the two couldn’t be starker. The young ones have been sufficiently schooled that they’re docile in the face of what’s coming because there will always be some authority figure, whether parents or nanny government, to take care of them. The older group may have thought that once, but they got over their 18 years of schooling and know better now.

  • Lee

    I’ve got SNO starting college in just a little more than a year, along with two more shortly thereafter. We’re slowly transforming our home to a decent place for them to reside until they’re 26, (the maximum age TRICARE will cover them). Luckily, that should anchor them through college, as we live a little over an hour from world class universities, with many more in the offering even nearer. And with the cost of tuition/fees skyrocketing, they’ll need to live at home for their college years anyway. Meantime, I’ve been stocking up on ammo, and reloading supplies as well as gaining in them a proficency in the shooting sports, hunting, and fishing. I’ve long thought that ammo was going to be the trading commodity of choice in the future. Color me whacko, it’s what I think.

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